Defending the Truth

Here is the thing. We have tons of deaths in this country due to our own Citizens stupidity of drinking and driving. However, there would be a lot FEWER drunk driving deaths if Illegal Alien drunk drivers were taken out of the equation. Fewer rapes, Fewer deaths, Fewer molestations, etc. The illegal alien part of it is part and parcel of all of this. If they weren't here, they woulden't be killing ANY U.S. Citizens, while driving drunk or anything else.

Please check this out and see if you catch my drift on this....
Immigrations Human Cost

This is about more than one drunk driving incident. Multiply it by thousands and you might be closer to the actual mark.

Yes, but if it was an illegal alien crossdresser the tragedy could have been prevented.

An illegal immigrant who just created a cure for cancer would not be deported because he would add value to American society instead of taking away from it.

I'm fully aware of the stats on crime and illegal immigration. That's part of why I support more screening and border procedures.

But O'Reilly did make it into something it isn't. The guy was drunk, got behind the wheel of a car, and killed someone. Where he came from holds no relevance aside from the fact that he probably should have been deported the first time.

Lowering crime rates as a rational for deporting all of the illegal immigrants is, if you excuse my bluntness, one of the dumbest rationals I've heard yet. The only reason why crime would go down is because you're suddenly getting rid of as high as ten percent of the entire bloody population.

Associating these kinds of crimes specifically to the illegal immigrant population is an illogical fallacy, and is a completely illogical rational for deporting them. This is almost like saying that we should deport all black people back to Africa simply because crime rates are higher within the black community.

This is why Bill O'Reily was a complete moron in his presentation. He associated the death of these people with the fact that the person was an illegal alien, not someone driving under the influence. He even had on his banner thing at the bottom of his screen something of the sort that "two people killed by illegal alien".

If this guy had applied for entry legally, he wouldn't have been there driving drunk in the first place. His illegality definitely is a factor. O'Reilly never said it was the ONLY factor. He brings up the point because localities are doing nothing about illegals. That may be just fine with you.

But it's not "just fine" with most of the population. I disagree with O'Reilly regularly, and find many of his arguments with guests pointless and weak. All that aside, claiming that local governments should be doing something about illegal immigrants in their cities is definitely a sane stance. Referring to him as a "moron" which is your personal opinion I guess, is just name calling. Two people were killed by an illegal alien. That illegal alien wouldn't even be here to drive under the influence were he not here illegally.

I realize that, but it is misleading in an attempt to galvanize support for a cause against illegal immigration. It is misleading in the sense that it applies an attribute of one illegal alien to an entire group. I mean, when a shooting occurs, they don't say, "Two people shot and killed by a black", and then take that statement and use it for an argument of deporting black people.

He never said it was the only factor but O'Reily was trying to make the argument or at least make it appear that it was the primary factor, when we know the primary factor was that the law being broken was driving under the influence.

And please don't generalize further and think that doing nothing on our borders is fine with me.

I refer to him as a moron not only because he is one, but this is based on obvious empirical reality of his arguments, or at least the reasoning behind such arguments. Doing something about illegal immigrants is indeed a sane stance, but that is not what I'm complaining about in this particular instance. What's insane about O'Reily's stance is how he derived upon that stance and the misleading accounts he is giving to his audience.

No, two people were killed by a drunk driver. This is so retarded. Think! It's obvious; in the report of the death of these two people doesn't state the cause of death was "death by illegal alien"! It says they died from getting hit by an impaired driver. The deciding factor in the death of these two people was that someone was driving under the influence.

I'm not saying it's an illegitimate argument to argue that he broke immigration laws. I'm just saying it's completely irrational and misleading to use this particular story as a rational for an anti-immigration argument. In other words, these people didn't die directly by the violation of immigration laws but the death of these people were caused directly by the breaking of DUI laws. Its irrelevant, and the death of these two people would not be considered in the court of law if and when they determine the legal status of this individual.

I think the idea of O'Reilly's wrath was the fact that Virginia Beach is a "sanctuary city", that is, the cops do nothing about illegals aliens. They consider it a "federal problem". The main reason why the city doesn't call the feds is because the feds are a "do nothing" bunch. IOW, they don't enforce the law.

It all goes back to our federal government. They are selective on which laws to enforce. Example: They went after the drug smuggler that two border patrol agents shot at for resisting and fleeing arrest. He'd brought 800 pounds of marijauna into the U.S. The feds went hunting for the drug smuggler. Remember, these are the guys that can't find illegal aliens stateside, but don't have a problem finding them in Mexico. They found him, brought him back, gave him immunity (remember, this guy brought in 800# of drugs, resisted arrest and flees) to testify and put two dedicated law enforcement agents behind bars for the next 10-12 years respectively. That isn't the end of the story, but it'll suffice for now.

But the reality is....illegals are bringing diseases that have been irradicated from the U.S. TB, measles, small pox, to name just a few, deadly diseases that we've not had in our country for years are now cropping up. Our children have not been vaccinated against these diseases since the 70s. Now, there is a shortage of vaccine. So what happens, foundit, when we have an outbreak of some deadly disease that wipes out about 10,0000-50,000 young people? Do you think you'll look back and think, "Hmmm...maybe those anti-illegal aliens had the right idea afterall!" ?? I doubt it. You would never admit you were wrong. Better hope it's not your family that gets hits. Things like that always makes a difference in how people formulate their ideas between what's good and what's not.

observer

Agree with everything you have said
Over here in England things are the same
T.B Aids All have to be treated for free The rest of us have to wait Them first us last it's no joke
England is now the pitts