Branden - Page 2

Antithesis · 05-18-2007, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Olifant

Is that what you were told? The problem is simple. Blacks here are too populous and cannot share equally the resources that were under Apartheid given mostly to the whites and under the ANC are kept mostly with the whites with the elected blacks taking their fair share of corruption. The situation of black Africans has not changed in South Africa for one real obvious reason.

40 million people cannot be clothed, schooled, and employed, by an economy about half the size of California's economy.

Look at the problems of the California school district and their financing - the South African school district is much larger.

So the point that is clearly heralded in my other thread is the only way to really help blacks in Africa is to get their population to a level that is manageable with the economic situation. Right now there is too many people not enough wealth.

And your suggestion of removing the 10 million whites is just absurd, since the whites are the ones who know how to get things done and many blacks (whether you think it's because we wouldn't teach them or whatever) don't. And until that changes, they need the whites.

You can't handle them, so you want to kill them off. That's despicable, and it's something I can't even comprehend. Who cares if they're human beings with families, friends, and feelings? We've got a country to run! In the U.S. there is a bad problem with joblessness and poverty, especially in the inner cities, Indian reservations, and poor rural areas. What do we do? WHATEVER WE CAN!!! We don't just give up and try to eliminate the problem by eliminating the people. Yours isn't just a "solution." It's a FINAL solution!!!

Olifant · 05-19-2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

I aint buying that one Oli!
The whites there wanted the richness of the continent. Go away and let the black people live according to their own ways. They have been living there for millinias before. And on their own, they survived...

Get out of Africa Oli...

OD

I keep asking you to look at the Congo if you want to see how Africans live on their own but you keep not listening...it's amazing.

Olifant · 05-19-2007, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Antithesis

You can't handle them, so you want to kill them off. That's despicable, and it's something I can't even comprehend. Who cares if they're human beings with families, friends, and feelings? We've got a country to run! In the U.S. there is a bad problem with joblessness and poverty, especially in the inner cities, Indian reservations, and poor rural areas. What do we do? WHATEVER WE CAN!!! We don't just give up and try to eliminate the problem by eliminating the people. Yours isn't just a "solution." It's a FINAL solution!!!

That's an absurd stretch of everything I had said and you obviously don't know what policies China or India have on their citizens.

tadpole256 · 05-19-2007, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Olifant

Hello my name is Branden you may refer to me as Olifant. I figured I would introduce myself since Tadpole had so flamingly called me a racist because he found me in the USA but now he should find me in the Netherlands, actually for this post I will change.

Bleh it put me into the United Kingdom.

India...that's slightly better.

Ok for this post I will be in "India".

But actually I am in Mpumalanga, South Africa. Also known to be Eastern Transvaal.

I own and with my family and some workers operate about 3,000 hectares we run a citrus orchard and vineyard on the side and yatta yatta yatta...unimportant I suppose.

But I figured I would say hi because I do not feel like being accosted over such minimal things as IP addresses, nor do I like being called a racist because I'm a bit more pragmatic. But people still seem illusioned about the situation here and that is displeasant.

Nice meeting you all.

No no... you're a racist because of your evil views, not your location... I would not care if you were on Jupiter... you're still a racist...

pensacola_niceman · 05-19-2007, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by OhDear

I aint buying that one Oli!
The whites there wanted the richness of the continent. Go away and let the black people live according to their own ways. They have been living there for millinias before. And on their own, they survived...

Get out of Africa Oli...

OD

I'm getting the impression that everybody is responding to Oli with a high degree of naiveity. Do you really know what it is like in Subsaharan Africa? Do you really know what the root causes of all the problems there are? Everybody is so quick to label him a racist for suggesting that there is an overpopulation of blacks in Africa. I think there is alot more to the story than the average American realizes here.

pensacola_niceman · 05-19-2007, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Olifant

I keep asking you to look at the Congo if you want to see how Africans live on their own but you keep not listening...it's amazing.

Some of the posters here need to read about the infantacide that swept Rwanda recently - that would be a real eye opener!

jaaaman · 05-19-2007, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

There is alot more to the story than the average American realizes here.

Can you please enlighten all of us here then about the part of the story we are not hearing or know about? I'm all ears PN.

Antithesis · 05-19-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Olifant

That's an absurd stretch of everything I had said and you obviously don't know what policies China or India have on their citizens.

It's a good explanation, and I am familiar with China and India's policies, which I find to be abhorrent as well. Let me repeat it so it gets through your thick racist skull: EUGENICS IS GENOCIDE!!!!!

Antithesis · 05-19-2007, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by pensacola_niceman

I'm getting the impression that everybody is responding to Oli with a high degree of naiveity. Do you really know what it is like in Subsaharan Africa? Do you really know what the root causes of all the problems there are? Everybody is so quick to label him a racist for suggesting that there is an overpopulation of blacks in Africa. I think there is alot more to the story than the average American realizes here.

It's not that we're angry at his suggestion that there's overpopulation, it's that he's suggesting that South Africa just eliminate the problem. If there's more to that than please enlighten me, but don't act like he's so innocent because its all of us against him. Why do you think that is in the first place?

pensacola_niceman · 05-19-2007, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jaaaman

Can you please enlighten all of us here then about the part of the story we are not hearing or know about? I'm all ears PN.

The infantacide that swept Rwanda is one situation I have alot of knowledge about. In short it was a war between the Tutis and the Hutu tribes where men, women, and children were brutally slaughtered. One of the main causes for the war was too few resources for far too many people. This was also a black war as it did not involve white people in any way.

There is most definitely an overpopulation problem in Africa. It is also true that whites were largely responsible for modernizing and industrializing South Africa. These are just plain facts.

I didn't read where Oli said that blacks should be exterminated. He is calling for some sort of mandantory birth control for blacks. That may be an extreme position, but certainly the overpopulation problem needs to be addressed in some way.

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