Hello my name is Branden you may refer to me as Olifant. I figured I would introduce myself since Tadpole had so flamingly called me a racist because he found me in the USA but now he should find me in the Netherlands, actually for this post I will change.

Bleh it put me into the United Kingdom.

India...that's slightly better.

Ok for this post I will be in "India".

But actually I am in Mpumalanga, South Africa. Also known to be Eastern Transvaal.

I own and with my family and some workers operate about 3,000 hectares we run a citrus orchard and vineyard on the side and yatta yatta yatta...unimportant I suppose.

But I figured I would say hi because I do not feel like being accosted over such minimal things as IP addresses, nor do I like being called a racist because I'm a bit more pragmatic. But people still seem illusioned about the situation here and that is displeasant.

Nice meeting you all.

Nice to meet you Branden, and welcome to the forums.

Watch and learn.

OD

I read what you said about South Africans, and while you're entitled to voice your opinions, you are NOT WELCOME. If there's one thing I despise more than fundamentalism, it's one who believes his race to be superior to another, and I'm sure plenty of people on this forum feel the same way. I can tolerate conservatism, but ultra-left neo-nazi propaganda is something that deserves derision.

In all irony, a delay has caused my IP to have not been registered for previous posts...poor tadpole's going to have a field day with that one but I hope he is not so quick to jump to conclusions and finds this UK IP saticefactory ahha.

Nice to meet you too, by the way.

Would you prefer that I list off ethnic groups (there are hundreds) instead? Because I believe it to be cultural...

But regarding that issue, how can you avoid it being a race issue? Do whites get affirmative action in the US? No, blacks do. Therefore...it's determiend by race. It's a racial issue.

Anti, Let's just show Oli the error of his ways. Let's welcome him to the board and provide him the opportunity to read and learn and realize that he is misled, no doubt by mammon, but all the same, that there is a better and higher way to think and regard all lives.

OD

It's 100% socioeconomic. Blacks in SA were kept down for over a hundred years because of apartheid and trapped by whites in squalor and poverty. Now you expect all wounds to be healed within the span of a few years, even when a great number of families still live without opportunity? You're naiive.

And I, for one, disagree with affirmative action anyway. It qualifies as reverse discrimination in my book and seems like political correctness gone too far.

Is that what you were told? The problem is simple. Blacks here are too populous and cannot share equally the resources that were under Apartheid given mostly to the whites and under the ANC are kept mostly with the whites with the elected blacks taking their fair share of corruption. The situation of black Africans has not changed in South Africa for one real obvious reason.

40 million people cannot be clothed, schooled, and employed, by an economy about half the size of California's economy.

Look at the problems of the California school district and their financing - the South African school district is much larger.

So the point that is clearly heralded in my other thread is the only way to really help blacks in Africa is to get their population to a level that is manageable with the economic situation. Right now there is too many people not enough wealth.

And your suggestion of removing the 10 million whites is just absurd, since the whites are the ones who know how to get things done and many blacks (whether you think it's because we wouldn't teach them or whatever) don't. And until that changes, they need the whites.

I aint buying that one Oli!
The whites there wanted the richness of the continent. Go away and let the black people live according to their own ways. They have been living there for millinias before. And on their own, they survived...

Get out of Africa Oli...

OD

Oli, you came here to pick a fight. Happy with yourself?

OD