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Old 09-10-2007, 10:33 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Most people get married for love, which is a mistake because love never lasts and is all to soon replaced with the drudgery of domestic life. Marital bliss becomes sacrificed to material obligation - mortgages, car payments and an endless series of bills - that takes all the joy out the relationship. Even the children end up being more burden than blessing. It all boils down to responsibility - financial responsibility - which is to say money, or the lack thereof - the debits and credits of a bankrupt estate.

For the same reason, many marriages nowadays end in divorce. It is primarily because they are ill-fated from the start; like undercapitalized business ventures, they are bound to fail. How foolish people can be when they are in love. How stupidly they behave without a care for the consequences. Did they really think that they could live on love? How absurd. Where did their love go? How could two persons who loved one another so passionately end up hating each other? Is love and hate but two sides of the same emotion? And what is to be done with the detritus of a marriage foundered on the rocks? The law is an inadequate remedy for what amounts to people’s personal problems. Divorce is a losing proposition: the husband loses, the wife loses, and the children - the ones who ought to be entitled to two loving and responsible parents - they are the big losers. But how can you stop people from getting married, however improbable the proposal? You might as well try to stop the tide from coming in; it is an irresistible force. People ought to be required to prove their financial responsibility before the state issues them a license to marry; for surely, as the old saying goes: "When the money’s gone, love flies out the window."
What's that old saying? "A woman enters marriage thinking that he will change. A man enters marriage thinking that she won't."


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Old 09-10-2007, 04:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Most people get married for love, which is a mistake because love never lasts and is all to soon replaced with the drudgery of domestic life. Marital bliss becomes sacrificed to material obligation - mortgages, car payments and an endless series of bills - that takes all the joy out the relationship. Even the children end up being more burden than blessing. It all boils down to responsibility - financial responsibility - which is to say money, or the lack thereof - the debits and credits of a bankrupt estate.

For the same reason, many marriages nowadays end in divorce. It is primarily because they are ill-fated from the start; like undercapitalized business ventures, they are bound to fail. How foolish people can be when they are in love. How stupidly they behave without a care for the consequences. Did they really think that they could live on love? How absurd. Where did their love go? How could two persons who loved one another so passionately end up hating each other? Is love and hate but two sides of the same emotion? And what is to be done with the detritus of a marriage foundered on the rocks? The law is an inadequate remedy for what amounts to people’s personal problems. Divorce is a losing proposition: the husband loses, the wife loses, and the children - the ones who ought to be entitled to two loving and responsible parents - they are the big losers. But how can you stop people from getting married, however improbable the proposal? You might as well try to stop the tide from coming in; it is an irresistible force. People ought to be required to prove their financial responsibility before the state issues them a license to marry; for surely, as the old saying goes: "When the money’s gone, love flies out the window."
That is a very, sorry a totally, negative view of any human relationship. Especially a marriage.

Like a prenuptial agreement, you are pre-empting failure and tempting fate, by giving yourself an "out" clause from the outset.

Marriage is like most long-term commitments - if you are determined to be successful, if you can learn to sacrifice and compromise, if you can deal with problems and not surrender to them - then you can have a happy and successful marriage.

All too often married couples behave like immature little babies, accustomed to getting their own way, and too
selfish to want their spouse to be happy.

Did you write that yourself or cut and paste it from somewhere? It sounds like it was written by an 18th century author.



Old 09-10-2007, 07:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I agree with T&C. The OP seems to be confused between being IN love with somebody.. and actually loving them.

Personally, I think you can have BOTH.... with the right person. And the IN love part will wax, wane, and wax again.. and so on. The real love is always there. At least that's how it is with the happiest couples I know.
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More thoughts I've had on this:

Again, the OP seems to hinge on the illusion that there's only one kind of "love."

There are many kinds. The general love for humanity. The love of parent to child. Love between friends -- to name just a few.

Being giddy "in love" really isn't love so much.. but a hormonally-driven mechanism of pair-bonding. Yes, I think that sort of "love" does have its place.

But in pondering this, I think the true "love" shared by long-married couples could actually be described as: respect.

See, as a man who is currently single and always open to meeting a woman with whom I would consider marriage, I found myself looking back on my past failures in that area and putting one thing at the top of my list for what I'm looking for in a woman. She must have self-respect.

See, when we say one really "loves" oneself... I think what we mean is not delusional self-love or infatuation (although there are plenty of people out there who suffer from that).. what we are talking about is that one has true, genuine respect for oneself.


As the old saying goes, if your can't love (respect) yourself... then you can't love really love (respect) another person.
And having been giddy, sappy "in love" with a couple of women who, ultimately, I just could not respect... I think I finally understand the dynamics of that mistake... which I think is a common one that leads to many marriages failing.
Sadly, I think many women struggle with issues of self respect, because society still suffers from underlying sexism and doesn't encourage women to have self-respect.

Of course, I want to be "in love" with my mate.. esp. at first. But true, lasting bonds will come only from mutual self-respect and respect for one another.
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There is substantial evidence that suggests that all forms of relationship-type love are really based on chemicals reacting in our brains.

So, in a way, relationship-type love is...well...a drug.

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There is substantial evidence that suggests that all forms of relationship-type love are really based on chemicals reacting in our brains.

So, in a way, relationship-type love is...well...a drug.

All emotions are based on chemicals in our heads. I don't know why people associate the heart with love. It's all between the ears.
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All emotions are based on chemicals in our heads. I don't know why people associate the heart with love. It's all between the ears.
It's odd, though, that for many people-myself included-a "broken heart" does feel like a broken heart.

I wonder by what physiological basis this happens?
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Emotions have their purpose. The chemical reactions are just the mechanism by which they occur.

Yes, being "in love" is a very emotional state.

But is true respect an emotion?
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It's odd, though, that for many people-myself included-a "broken heart" does feel like a broken heart.

I wonder by what physiological basis this happens?
Adrenalin.

“BROKEN HEART” SYNDROME: REAL, POTENTIALLY DEADLY BUT RECOVERY QUICK
-- Hopkins scientists discover that emotional shock can trigger sudden, reversible heart failure that is not a classic heart attack.
Shocking news, such as learning of the unexpected death of a loved one, has been known to cause catastrophic events, such as a heart attack.

Now, researchers at Johns Hopkins have discovered that sudden emotional stress can also result in severe but reversible heart muscle weakness that mimics a classic heart attack. Patients with this condition, called stress cardiomyopathy but known colloquially as “broken heart” syndrome, are often misdiagnosed with a massive heart attack when, indeed, they have suffered from a days-long surge in adrenalin (epinephrine) and other stress hormones that temporarily “stun” the heart.

“BROKEN HEART” SYNDROME: REAL, POTENTIALLY DEADLY BUT RECOVERY QUICK
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Adrenalin.

“BROKEN HEART” SYNDROME: REAL, POTENTIALLY DEADLY BUT RECOVERY QUICK
-- Hopkins scientists discover that emotional shock can trigger sudden, reversible heart failure that is not a classic heart attack.
Shocking news, such as learning of the unexpected death of a loved one, has been known to cause catastrophic events, such as a heart attack.

Now, researchers at Johns Hopkins have discovered that sudden emotional stress can also result in severe but reversible heart muscle weakness that mimics a classic heart attack. Patients with this condition, called stress cardiomyopathy but known colloquially as “broken heart” syndrome, are often misdiagnosed with a massive heart attack when, indeed, they have suffered from a days-long surge in adrenalin (epinephrine) and other stress hormones that temporarily “stun” the heart.

“BROKEN HEART” SYNDROME: REAL, POTENTIALLY DEADLY BUT RECOVERY QUICK
Hmmm...that explains things.

I just wonder when there would be a prescription drug that counters such a physiological event.

It would certainly sell well, I would think.
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