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Old 05-10-2008, 06:49 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Coincidentally, FX, just yesterday, while you were here trivializing my "oversensitive" stance on sexual harrassment (and at the same time, taking additional shots at my appearance after acknowledging that I did not like or want such attention from you), our CEO published his opinion on the matter in an email to all employees:

Harassment Free Work Environment Policy

Harassment in the work setting has never been tolerated at ------------------. It harms morale, motivation, and job performance, as well as careers, reputations, and families.

Sexual harassment, in particular, is a form of sex discrimination and is considered an unlawful employment practice under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Any employee who experiences harassment should immediately bring it to the attention of either their manager or the Human Resources Department. All concerns will be taken seriously, investigated, and handled promptly in a responsible and confidential manner within the bounds of our investigation and the law.

I fully support the company's Harassment Free Work Environment Policy and expect everyone – executive officers, department heads, and all employees – to adhere to these principles and to further the goals of our policy.

Please take the time to review the Harassment Free Work Environment Policy by clicking the link below.

Sincerely,
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Now, I don't want to say that our CEO got to where he is because he supports this policy, and you got to where you are because you don't, but I am pretty sure it would be much less likely to work the other way around.

Respect. It's good for everyone. Inside and outside the workplace.
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Old 05-10-2008, 05:05 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Coincidentally, FX, just yesterday, while you were here trivializing my "oversensitive" stance on sexual harrassment (and at the same time, taking additional shots at my appearance after acknowledging that I did not like or want such attention from you), our CEO published his opinion on the matter in an email to all employees:

Harassment Free Work Environment Policy

Harassment in the work setting has never been tolerated at ------------------. It harms morale, motivation, and job performance, as well as careers, reputations, and families.

Sexual harassment, in particular, is a form of sex discrimination and is considered an unlawful employment practice under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Any employee who experiences harassment should immediately bring it to the attention of either their manager or the Human Resources Department. All concerns will be taken seriously, investigated, and handled promptly in a responsible and confidential manner within the bounds of our investigation and the law.

I fully support the company's Harassment Free Work Environment Policy and expect everyone – executive officers, department heads, and all employees – to adhere to these principles and to further the goals of our policy.

Please take the time to review the Harassment Free Work Environment Policy by clicking the link below.

Sincerely,
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Now, I don't want to say that our CEO got to where he is because he supports this policy, and you got to where you are because you don't, but I am pretty sure it would be much less likely to work the other way around.

Respect. It's good for everyone. Inside and outside the workplace.

Such hypersensitivity. You poor babies.

What next - a day of silence??

I'm sure your CEO didn't become CEO by worrying what people say about him.
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Such hypersensitivity. You poor babies.

What next - a day of silence??

I'm sure your CEO didn't become CEO by worrying what people say about him.
It's not hypersensitivity, it's called Respect. Something you seem to not have. Maybe it is just the f'd up way God made you.
"I did not choose to be gay, I was chosen"....

Hey idiot, "Next time you have a thought...just let it go." -Ron White
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Old 05-11-2008, 01:24 PM   #64 (permalink)
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[quote=garysher;171340]Such hypersensitivity. You poor babies./quote]

No serious businessperson in America would take this attitude toward sexual harrassment policy in the the workplace.

Particularly if that businessperson had a questionable citizenship status.

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What next - a day of silence??


No day of silence is needed at my enlightened workplace. Far from being bullied at work for being gay, I work in an atmosphere that embraces diversity.

My wife is covered by my company's insurance, I display a picture from our honeymoon on my desk, and I am frequently asked about her by my colleagues. All things that anyone might expect in the workplace if one was in a heterosexual relationship.

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I'm sure your CEO didn't become CEO by worrying what people say about him.


You again reveal much about yourself.

No one ever becomes a CEO (not of any company worth mentioning, anyway) WITHOUT worrying what other people are saying about him or her.

Anyone who has spent any time in the world of big business knows the first axiom of big business: "perception is reality."

Which means, doing excellent work is not as important to one's ascension through the ranks as being perceived to be doing excellent work. (Of course, if you are able to do both, so much the better.)

And the higher you rise, the more visible you become, and the more effort you must put into controlling how you are perceived by the people around you: clients, peers, superiors, and staff.

In fact, CEOs worry SO much about what people say about them, that they PAY entire teams of people to worry about it FOR them, and attempt to control what is being said. They are called Public Relations.

You would know all of this if you were anything like the successful businessperson you pretend to be online.

The perception you'd like us to have of you is showing more cracks than usual today.
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Old 05-11-2008, 09:01 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Such hypersensitivity. You poor babies./quote]

No serious businessperson in America would take this attitude toward sexual harrassment policy in the the workplace.

Particularly if that businessperson had a questionable citizenship status.



No day of silence is needed at my enlightened workplace. Far from being bullied at work for being gay, I work in an atmosphere that embraces diversity.

My wife is covered by my company's insurance, I display a picture from our honeymoon on my desk, and I am frequently asked about her by my colleagues. All things that anyone might expect in the workplace if one was in a heterosexual relationship.

You aren't married, you've never been on a honeymoon and you don't have a wife

The perception you'd like us to have of you as honest is showing more cracks than usual today




You again reveal much about yourself.

No one ever becomes a CEO (not of any company worth mentioning, anyway) WITHOUT worrying what other people are saying about him or her.

Anyone who has spent any time in the world of big business knows the first axiom of big business: "perception is reality."

Which means, doing excellent work is not as important to one's ascension through the ranks as being perceived to be doing excellent work. (Of course, if you are able to do both, so much the better.)

And the higher you rise, the more visible you become, and the more effort you must put into controlling how you are perceived by the people around you: clients, peers, superiors, and staff.

In fact, CEOs worry SO much about what people say about them, that they PAY entire teams of people to worry about it FOR them, and attempt to control what is being said. They are called Public Relations.

You would know all of this if you were anything like the successful businessperson you pretend to be online.

The perception you'd like us to have of you is showing more cracks than usual today.

And your naivety is more apparent than usual.

I can assure you your CEO got to where he is by keeping shareholders happy.

If he failed to meet financial objectives and was merely pandering to politically correct malingerers, he would have been long gone.
Old 05-12-2008, 04:28 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Interesting Public Service Announcement on sexual harassment

Sexual Harassment with Hayden Panettiere from Hayden Panettiere, Judd Apatow, and NOTMS
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You aren't married, you've never been on a honeymoon and you don't have a wife


I can assure you your CEO got to where he is by keeping shareholders happy.
Sorry, I forgot how threatened you feel your marriage is by mine.
I won't mention it to you again. I hate to see you so upset.

While your statement may be true of other companies, I can assure you that you are quite wrong about my CEO. Since I know him and my company, and you do not, you will have to defer to me on the subject.

All of this is, of course, beside my point. Sexual harrassment policies are simply part of any business of any respectable size. Your mocking of this very serious American workplace reality demonstrates your ignorance of it, and thereby casts serious doubts on your claims of being any sort of legitimate businessman.
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:18 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Sorry, I forgot how threatened you feel your marriage is by mine.
I won't mention it to you again. I hate to see you so upset.

Not at all. I'm not upset because my marriage is real.

Your "marriage" is a lie and you know it.





While your statement may be true of other companies, I can assure you that you are quite wrong about my CEO. Since I know him and my company, and you do not, you will have to defer to me on the subject.

All of this is, of course, beside my point. Sexual harrassment policies are simply part of any business of any respectable size. Your mocking of this very serious American workplace reality demonstrates your ignorance of it, and thereby casts serious doubts on your claims of being any sort of legitimate businessman.
Sorry I forgot how threatened you felt by my successful business career.

I can just imagine your CEO's next presentation to investors:

"Well we lost money last year, we lost market share too, we failed to achieve our product development objectives and completely missed our growth targets.

But here's the good news. I came up with a brilliant new presentation about sexual harassment in the workplace. Our people loved it. The posters are all over the building.

Our lesbian employees feel able to put pictures of their gal pals in their cubicles.

It's totally awesome and I feel wonderfully empowered and validated..

I look forward to receiving your vote of confidence for another year as your CEO, when you can expect me to lose even more of your money."

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Why didn't yall start this line of discussion this morning. This has the potential to get super juicy. Unfortunately I'm done for today. I look forward to reading the fireworks tomorrow.
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Oh, sorry... I had let this one go.
Nothing much left to add, FX, sorry to disappoint.

Gary lost another debate to me, and he is left trying to distract us all from his embarrassment with his wild imaginings about my personal and professional life.

It's a very predictable cycle which has played out countless times over the years.

We normally just let the thread die so he can save face.
So, shhhhh...
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