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Old 06-05-2006, 10:04 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Sounds like this is a pretty slam dunk case. The school officials were in the wrong completely, a blatant breach of the First Amendment. Geez, what's even offensive about the t-shirt "Save our State"? Good lord...

I don't see how any judge will rule against him, considering the school has an open lunch period and the demonstration was to take place on the sidewalk across the street. Absolutley ridiculous...what were those school officials thinking?

I don't know why you think liberals would support this kind of behavior.
I don't know why you think I wouldn't think that? Most liberals have a double standard. Clearly, those who run the school do not seem to think they are fostering a double standard. They sure aint conservatives who made this rule.
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Old 06-05-2006, 10:15 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I don't know why you think I wouldn't think that? Most liberals have a double standard.
You don't know squat about "most liberals".

Here's a query.

Do I support the school in this? Yes or no...


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Clearly, those who run the school do not seem to think they are fostering a double standard. They sure aint conservatives who made this rule.
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Do you REALLY want to go into the hypocrisy and double standards of conservatives???

I've already shown the double standards of Republicans in quotes on gas prices.

Here is another subject where Republicans have proven incredibly hypocritical...

http://people.tribe.net/matt_mahi/bl...e-fe4253870037

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"You can support the troops but not the president."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"Well, I just think it's a bad idea. What's going to happen is they're going to be over there for 10, 15, maybe 20 years."
--Joe Scarborough (R-FL)

"Explain to the mothers and fathers of American servicemen that may come home in body bags why their son or daughter have to give up their life?"
--Sean Hannity, Fox News, 4/6/99

" President . . . is once again releasing American military might on a foreign country with an ill-defined objective and no exit strategy. He has yet to tell the Congress how much this operation will cost. And he has not informed our nation's armed forces about how long they will be away from home. These strikes do not make for a sound foreign policy."
--Sen. Rick Santorum (R-PA)

"American foreign policy is now one huge big mystery. Simply put, the administration is trying to lead the world with a feel-good foreign policy."
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

"If we are going to commit American troops, we must be certain they have a clear mission, an achievable goal and an exit strategy."
--Karen Hughes, speaking on behalf of George W Bush

"I had doubts about the bombing campaign from the beginning . . I didn't think we had done enough in the diplomatic area."
--Senator Trent Lott (R-MS)

"I cannot support a failed foreign policy. History teaches us that it is often easier to make war than peace. This administration is just learning that lesson right now. The President began this mission with very vague objectives and lots of unanswered questions. A month later, these questions are still unanswered. There are no clarified rules of engagement. There is no timetable. There is no legitimate definition of victory. There is no contingency plan for mission creep. There is no clear funding program. There is no agenda to bolster our over-extended military. There is no explanation defining what vital national interests are at stake. There was no strategic plan for war when the President started this thing, and there still is no plan today"
--Rep Tom Delay (R-TX)

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"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is."
--Governor George W. Bush (R-TX)
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
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Old 06-06-2006, 06:58 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The point of the article is that students were allowed to break the rules to demonstrate in favor of breaking the law and this young man was not allowed to demonstrate in favor of obeying the law. That is what the article is saying, no more, no less. The point of the article is the left is allowed to demonstrate and break the rules in school and this young man because he has a differening view is not allowed. That is what the article is about. This is about censorship.
There's a tiny error in what you and the article states. The walkout was not about encouragement to break the law. The walkout was in favor of CHANGING the law, or at least prevent changes that would be discriminatory. That is not the same as being "allowed to break the rules to demonstrate in favor of breaking the law " like you said.

I say this because the article is clearly one that seeks to scandalize a separate issue. This is the issue that if you do NOT support strict punishment of illegal aliens you are a lousy american. That's just a subjective statement which the mexican kids have a full right to disagree with.

That said, denying Denhalter his right was certainly a massively counterproductive move. Definately hypocritical and uncalled for. No school system should take sides like that.
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Old 06-06-2006, 11:13 AM   #14 (permalink)
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There's a tiny error in what you and the article states. The walkout was not about encouragement to break the law. The walkout was in favor of CHANGING the law, or at least prevent changes that would be discriminatory. That is not the same as being "allowed to break the rules to demonstrate in favor of breaking the law " like you said.

I say this because the article is clearly one that seeks to scandalize a separate issue. This is the issue that if you do NOT support strict punishment of illegal aliens you are a lousy american. That's just a subjective statement which the mexican kids have a full right to disagree with.

That said, denying Denhalter his right was certainly a massively counterproductive move. Definately hypocritical and uncalled for. No school system should take sides like that.
Wrong. It is not discriminatory to demand that people obey the law. The kids do not have the right to leave school. I agree with your last sentence.
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You don't know squat about "most liberals".

Here's a query.

Do I support the school in this? Yes or no...



< snort >
Do you REALLY want to go into the hypocrisy and double standards of conservatives???

I've already shown the double standards of Republicans in quotes on gas prices.

Here is another subject where Republicans have proven incredibly hypocritical...

http://people.tribe.net/matt_mahi/bl...e-fe4253870037
Speaking of "squat". Do you squat when you pee? See, I can be rude also without a reason.

How do you know who I know or don't know. You sure claim to know a lot about me. Do you always act so rudely with people you disagree with? I must really make your blood boil, it comes out in every message you make to me.
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Wrong. It is not discriminatory to demand that people obey the law. The kids do not have the right to leave school. I agree with your last sentence.
You misunderstood me.

I meant that the mexican kids did not walk out to encourage lawlessness ( which is what the article makes it sound like) They walked out to show their disagreement with proposed changes to the law.

Can you see the difference?

Still the action by the school was discriminatory no doubt. I just take issue with this sort of writing because it is loaded with subjective condemnation, instead of factual analysis. just my personal opinion.
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Old 06-06-2006, 01:01 PM   #17 (permalink)
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You misunderstood me.

I meant that the mexican kids did not walk out to encourage lawlessness ( which is what the article makes it sound like) They walked out to show their disagreement with proposed changes to the law.

Can you see the difference?

Still the action by the school was discriminatory no doubt. I just take issue with this sort of writing because it is loaded with subjective condemnation, instead of factual analysis. just my personal opinion.
They walked out during school hours. That is against the rules. There is plenty of time to protest when school is over or before. This makes it okay to skip school. I don't agree with that.
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They walked out during school hours. That is against the rules. There is plenty of time to protest when school is over or before. This makes it okay to skip school. I don't agree with that.


Alright dude i know how important these small issues are to you compared to possible discriminatory policies.

BAAAAAD kids.. walking out of school like that .. THE AUDACITY, THE NERVE

Lets just forget about the fact that most of them probably had many family members who would be severely affected by the immigration policy...

yeah it's definately MORE important to talk about their heretical walkout from school.
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Alright dude i know how important these small issues are to you compared to possible discriminatory policies.

BAAAAAD kids.. walking out of school like that .. THE AUDACITY, THE NERVE

Lets just forget about the fact that most of them probably had many family members who would be severely affected by the immigration policy...

yeah it's definately MORE important to talk about their heretical walkout from school.

Yes it is important. No one is being discriminated against. The immigration policy is that people enter this country legally. I see you have a problem with peope obeying the law. So according to you, if you don't like the law, you can just skip school, join a protest to uphold breaking the laws of immigration and then go back to school like nothing happend. Right dude.
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Yes it is important. No one is being discriminated against. The immigration policy is that people enter this country legally. I see you have a problem with peope obeying the law. So according to you, if you don't like the law, you can just skip school, join a protest to uphold breaking the laws of immigration and then go back to school like nothing happend. Right dude.
yeah yeah alias.. ur right

Except it was skipping school to join a protest to CHANGE the law ( i think the US constitution allows that no?) and then go back to school.

the only criminal activity here is of truancy. The protest is to CHANGE The law so that those peopl eare not criminals any more. it's been seen before no? My critique of the issue was not a defence of the wrong actions by the school. It was jsut an observation how somehow you managed to make these kids seem like DOUBLE criminals, when they actually only skipped school.
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