And here we see Alias equate somebody with a different opinion of him as "poisoning"....


More pure bullspit where alias declares "harm" because somebody has, or is teaching, an opinion that differs from his.

Alias, you often LIE and claim that people call you "ignorant" because you have a different opinion, but the truth is that you declare others as "harmful" for teaching a different opinion from yours.


And that's what it keeps boiling down to with you, doesn't it.
When you say something you cannot defend, you call it an "opinion" and try to claim it is as legitimate as SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH and STUDIES which prove your "opinion" to be false.
Pathetic!

Your ideas are poison to a healthy society. Homosexuality does not add health to a society. You can spew your propaganda all day and every day and it will not make it true. You claim you like pschologists. How about Paul Cameron, Ph. D. He has pretty good credentials:

Chairman, Family Research Institute
Publisher, Family Research Report
1980-1987 Founder, Institute for the Scientific Investigation of Sexuality
1979-1980 Professor, University of Nebraska
1976-1979 Professor, Fuller Graduate School of Psychology, Fuller Theological Seminary
1970-1973 Professor, University of Louisville

Education: Ph.D., University of Colorado, 1966
M.A., California State University, 1962
B.A., Los Angeles Pacific College, 1961


The Psychology of Homosexuality

Alias,

one can find a report to substantiate whatever anyone chooses to believe. Borrowing a psychological report from a pundit on staff at Focus on the Family is not going to demonstrate an honest attempt to objectivity.
But let's say, for the sake of looking into this matter, that homosexuality IS sin and as such IS a detriment to society.

How would you seek to reach those caught in this destructive practice?

If denouncing their lifestyle and devaluing their life, spewing hatred and intolerance and calling for a mass suicide of those who are in bondage to this sin, is your idea of a way to solve the problem, then I guess "your god" was in error when he sent his son to die for the sin of the world. He should have instead just pronounced a mandate for all of us to kill ourselves...

And just to any gay readers here, I am not going on record to say y'all are in sin or destroying society. I am only appealing to alias from his own presupposition as such.

OD

Wrong.
My ideas are contrary to what YOU want society to be.
You keep using inaccurate and unsubstantiated buzz-words like "poison" and "healthy society", which are meaningless when you can't prove them.


You've got a fricken memory like a sieve.
Paul Cameron DOES have "pretty good credentials" if you're trying to demonstrate what an anti-gay person is prepared to do with LIES and DECEIT...

To summarize, Paul Cameron has been ousted / disassociated from THREE professional major mental health organizations, and called a liar by a federal court judge...

But of course, he bashes gays so he's "okay" in your book, ain't he...

On December 2, 1983, the American Psychological Association sent Paul Cameron a letter informing him that he had been dropped from membership. Early in 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" by the APA Board of Directors.5 Cameron has posted an elaborate argument about his expulsion from APA on his website, claiming that he resigned from APA before he was dropped from membership. Like most organizations, however, APA does not allow a member to resign when they are being investigated. And even if Cameron's claims were accepted as true, it would be remarkable that the largest professional organization of psychologists in the United States (and other professional associations, as noted below) went to such lengths to disassociate itself from one individual.

At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psychological Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality."6

In 1985, the American Sociological Association (ASA) adopted a resolution which asserted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" and noted that "Dr. Paul Cameron has repeatedly campaigned for the abrogation of the civil rights of lesbians and gay men, substantiating his call on the basis of his distorted interpretation of this research."7 The resolution formally charged an ASA committee with the task of "critically evaluating and publicly responding to the work of Dr. Paul Cameron."
At its August, 1986 meeting, the ASA officially accepted the committee's report and passed the following resolution:

The American Sociological Association officially and publicly states that Paul Cameron is not a sociologist, and condemns his consistent misrepresentation of sociological research. Information on this action and a copy of the report by the Committee on the Status of Homosexuals in Sociology, "The Paul Cameron Case," is to be published in Footnotes, and be sent to the officers of all regional and state sociological associations and to the Canadian Sociological Association with a request that they alert their members to Cameron's frequent lecture and media appearances."8

Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepresentations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536).9

Paul Cameron Bio and Fact Sheet

What do you mean you're not going on record for saying homosexuality is sin? Is it sin or not according to the New Testament?

More on your "good credentials" man...

Gays are crime against humanity

"Homosexuality is a crime against humanity."- Paul Cameron's pamphlet "Criminality, Social Disruption and Homosexuality" quoted by Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Gays have sex with animals

Causes of homosexuality include: "sex with animals"- What Causes Homosexual Desire - Dr. Cameron, What Causes Homosexual Desire and Can It Be Changed?, By Paul Cameron, Ph. D.

Exterminate gays

"At the 1985 Conservative Political Action Conference, Cameron announced to the attendees, 'Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.' According to an interview with former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop, Cameron was recommending the extermination option as early as 1983." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Tattoo AIDS patients, castrate gays

"At least twice Cameron has advocated the tattooing of AIDS patients on the face, so that people would know when they were meeting with an infected person. The penalty for trying to hide the tattoo would be banishment to the Hawaiian island of Molokai, a former leper colony. In the event that a vaccine were developed to prevent AIDS, Cameron has proposed that homosexuals be castrated to prevent them from 'cheating' on nature." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

AIDS is a Godsend

"I think that actually AIDS is a guardian. That is I think it was sent, if you would, about forty years ago, to destroy Western civilization unless we change our sexual ways. So it's really a Godsend." - Cameron quoted by Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Gays eat feces

"33% [of gays surveyed] ingested feces via anal/oral contact"-Paul Cameron quoted at MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO

Put AIDS patients in detention centers

"Cameron also views AIDS as being such a large threat to 'innocents' that he has proposed nationwide testing for HIV and the forcible quarantine of all those testing positive, either by confinement to their homes or in regional detention centers." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Outlaw homosexuality, register gays

"He has also advocated the outlawing of homosexuality and the forcible closing of all Gay bars; homosexuals would be required to register with government authorities and have their movements tracked." - Mark E. Pietrzyk, News-Telegraph, March 10, 1995.

Gays consume blood

"gays who practice oral sex verge on consuming raw human blood"- Paul Cameron quoted at MEDICAL CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT HOMOSEXUALS DO

Matthew Shepard Online Resources - Hate Speech - Dr. Paul Cameron

And so what? He's entitled to his opinion. After all, he is a psychologist. You keep telling me about your psychologists and how smart they are. This guy has pretty good credentials.

The guy has pretty good credentials FOR A LIAR.
You don't seem to get that. It's not "his opinion" we're talking about...

He LIES about what he claims other researchers say.
He performs GROSSLY IMPROPER research techniques.
His statements are downright ASININE and STUPID. It's not an "opinion" that gays "verge on consuming raw human blood".

These are not "opinions". These are facts about a man who has taken his life's work of being prejudiced against gays, and creating LIES based on his prejudice.

But of course, you can defend NONE of this so instead all you do (once again) is say "opinion" and pretend that I haven't just proven him a prolific liar who cannot be trusted.

Alias,

Do you put your high regard on the profession of psychologists in general, or only in this one particular doctor, Paul Cameron?

OD

Oh hell no. I don't put faith in psychologists at all. Foundit does, as long as they agree with him though it looks like.

It's like this you see, foundit and I have this debate about homos going on and he always says the psychs all agree with him. That's my point. If a psych agrees with him, he's all for them. If they don't, he attacks the psych. So much for homos being open minded.