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Old 08-15-2006, 01:56 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Here's a little film for you and it nails you perfectly. Enjoy. Oh and by the way, have a nice day.

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Old 08-15-2006, 02:13 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Sounds like someone is trying desperately to justify his actions. They will probably haunt him the rest of his life.

Hot Air really is the perfect name for that website.
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Sounds like someone is trying desperately to justify his actions. They will probably haunt him the rest of his life.

Hot Air really is the perfect name for that website.
That is a man. Something about as foreign to you as honor and duty. You're a loser. That man is a patriot. He nailed you perfectly. He described you like he had known you. You are the exact piece of asswipe shit he was talking about.

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Old 08-15-2006, 02:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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That is a man. Something about as foreign to you as honor and duty. You're a loser. That man is a patriot. He nailed you perfectly. He described you like he had known you. You are the exact piece of asswipe shit he was talking about.
What that man doesn't realize is dissent is patriotic, and unflinching servitude isn't. I'm sure there were people in the crowd, and soldiers standing prowdly that disagreed with some of what he had to say. You can still be a prowd fighting man or woman in our armed forces and still appreciate civilian life in our country and appreciate democratic dissent, and the socratic questioning that defines us as Americans. With some people in the military, their disdane for the civilian and the contempt for college life is just sickening. Just because someone doesn't want to kill and take another's life, just because they want to live a civilian life and enjoy what makes this country great, doesn't make them any morally inferior, it doesn't make them any less of a social status in this country. In fact, many soldiers signed up to pay for their college education.

And Alias, you can't agree with that soldier and not feel a bit of guilt. With all your encouraging to war, calls to servitude to your country, and your contempt for people that don't serve, you yourself did not serve, and are currently not serving. I remember seeing you say that you aren't a veteran, but if I'm mistaken then please do accept my apologies. But if I'm right, then at least have the decency to recognize your hypocrisy.
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Old 08-15-2006, 02:54 PM   #5 (permalink)
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What that man doesn't realize is dissent is patriotic, and unflinching servitude isn't. I'm sure there were people in the crowd, and soldiers standing prowdly that disagreed with some of what he had to say. You can still be a prowd fighting man or woman in our armed forces and still appreciate civilian life in our country and appreciate democratic dissent, and the socratic questioning that defines us as Americans. With some people in the military, their disdane for the civilian and the contempt for college life is just sickening. Just because someone doesn't want to kill and take another's life, just because they want to live a civilian life and enjoy what makes this country great, doesn't make them any morally inferior, it doesn't make them any less of a social status in this country. In fact, many soldiers signed up to pay for their college education.

And Alias, you can't agree with that soldier and not feel a bit of guilt. With all your encouraging to war, calls to servitude to your country, and your contempt for people that don't serve, you yourself did not serve, and are currently not serving. I remember seeing you say that you aren't a veteran, but if I'm mistaken then please do accept my apologies. But if I'm right, then at least have the decency to recognize your hypocrisy.
What makes you sure there were some in the crowd and some soldiers who disagreed with what he had to say? He did not join the army to kill just to kill. He joined to army to defend his nation against enemies that are trying to kill us. A lot of the college crowd doesn't get it and you don't get it either. We are at war. I agree totally with that soldier and I feel no guilt at all. I am not a veteran, but the reason I am not a veteran is not because I did not want to serve, it is because of medical conditions. All of my family that can serve have served and are serving at this minute. I agree totally with that soldier. Your nation is at war and all you and those like Hevusa is play politics with it. That is disgraceful. This war was not started by Bush. It was started by terrrorists. That is my enemy. I and a lot of Americans know who the enemy is. We don't serve out of blind patriotism and without question. We know who the enemy is and what his goal is. You don't.

What makes this country great is directly because of what men and women like him have done by serving. They defeated the nazis and Japan and now those 2 countries are democracies. The same is going to happen to Iran and Syria pretty soon. You better get ready and it is not because of America, it is because of the dictators and religious war mongers in those countries who wish to enslave people to their god. Not me. I will fight for my freedom. You won't, but you will be the beneficiary of those who will fight and die for you. You are the one who should feel guilty, not me.

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Old 08-15-2006, 05:29 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Your nation is at war and all you and those like Hevusa is play politics with it. That is disgraceful.
How can you say this? War is not something to be accepted blindly. If we are going to war, then let us be certain that our cause is just. Let us discuss it and debate it, and those who do not agree with it should voice their opinions as surely as those who do agree with it.

This war was started by our current administration. Our nation sent men in to overthrow a government that wasn't attacking us, to shoot those who did not shoot at us, and to free those who did not ask to be freed.

Maybe that's a good thing, but we shouldn't avoid the truth of the situation, and we should allow for intelligent debate. What that officer said in his speech amounted to nothing more than name-calling. He provided no justification for the war, and his speech was not beneficial.

But if an individual comes to the conclusion that the war is not justified, then how can you ask him to serve? Should a man kill others to support a cause he does not believe in simply because he is an American?

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I will fight for my freedom, and I'll bet Hev and Kat would too. But does overthrowing Iraq defend my freedom? Does it defend Hev's? Does it defend Kat's? It supposedly defends the freedom of Iraqis, not Americans, right?

Surely it is just to defend the freedom of Iraqis. But I do not believe we have brought them freedom, but instead Democracy. Is this a cause I should be proud of?
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How can you say this? War is not something to be accepted blindly. If we are going to war, then let us be certain that our cause is just. Let us discuss it and debate it, and those who do not agree with it should voice their opinions as surely as those who do agree with it.

This war was started by our current administration. Our nation sent men in to overthrow a government that wasn't attacking us, to shoot those who did not shoot at us, and to free those who did not ask to be freed.

Maybe that's a good thing, but we shouldn't avoid the truth of the situation, and we should allow for intelligent debate. What that officer said in his speech amounted to nothing more than name-calling. He provided no justification for the war, and his speech was not beneficial.

But if an individual comes to the conclusion that the war is not justified, then how can you ask him to serve? Should a man kill others to support a cause he does not believe in simply because he is an American?



I will fight for my freedom, and I'll bet Hev and Kat would too. But does overthrowing Iraq defend my freedom? Does it defend Hev's? Does it defend Kat's? It supposedly defends the freedom of Iraqis, not Americans, right?

Surely it is just to defend the freedom of Iraqis. But I do not believe we have brought them freedom, but instead Democracy. Is this a cause I should be proud of?
This war was not started by our current administration. We have been attacked continuously since 1979 kidnappings by Iran. Embassies bombed, the Cole bombed, 280 marines slaughtered, ambassadors murdered, the first WTC bombing in 1993, and then 09/11. When do you decide to fight back?
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This war was not started by our current administration. We have been attacked continuously since 1979 kidnappings by Iran. Embassies bombed, the Cole bombed, 280 marines slaughtered, ambassadors murdered, the first WTC bombing in 1993, and then 09/11. When do you decide to fight back?
See, and if these are your reasons for supporting the war, that is fine. Use them as ammunition for debate in support of the war.

But if the officer in that video supports the war, he should not have used the tactic of calling war protesters names, proclaiming that soldiers are the real "men of action", and that war protesters wish they had the guts to be soliders. Those things simply avoid the issue; there is nothing wrong with no being a soldier, and opposing the war is just an opinion. He should have justified the war with reasons.
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Until the glaring deficiencies of the 9/11 report are addressed there can be no connection made between 9/11 and past events.
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See, and if these are your reasons for supporting the war, that is fine. Use them as ammunition for debate in support of the war.

But if the officer in that video supports the war, he should not have used the tactic of calling war protesters names, proclaiming that soldiers are the real "men of action", and that war protesters wish they had the guts to be soliders. Those things simply avoid the issue; there is nothing wrong with no being a soldier, and opposing the war is just an opinion. He should have justified the war with reasons.
Why can't he call protestes names. That is his opinion. He's entitled to his opinion. Liberals give their opinions every day. Why can't conservatives? He and his men already know the reasons we are at war. It's the liberals who don't. That is my opinion.
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