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Old 09-01-2006, 06:05 PM   #41 (permalink)
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No bigot on this end pal. I do know that is what the Koran says. I'm also not ignorant and you know I'm not. The fact that I disagree with you and for sound reasons does not make me a bigot or ignorant. You know what it says in the Koran and you know I'm right.
The definition of a bigot is someone that is intolerant of other particular views, and thus has a bias. You refused to look at the figures he presented just in spite of the single fact that he is a Muslim. You even stated it yourself. But a common characteristic of a bigot is that they deny to be a bigot. So no surprise here.
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Old 09-01-2006, 06:11 PM   #42 (permalink)
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The definition of a bigot is someone that is intolerant of other particular views, and thus has a bias. You refused to look at the figures he presented just in spite of the single fact that he is a Muslim. You even stated it yourself. But a common characteristic of a bigot is that they deny to be a bigot. So no surprise here.
Another demonstration of bigotry would be in declaring "liberalism" as a mental disease, and openly professing that you support the troops abroad EXCEPT for the liberal ones.
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The definition of a bigot is someone that is intolerant of other particular views, and thus has a bias. You refused to look at the figures he presented just in spite of the single fact that he is a Muslim. You even stated it yourself. But a common characteristic of a bigot is that they deny to be a bigot. So no surprise here.
I looked at his figures and I don't believe them. The problem is this.....who does the counting and how is the counting done? What are classified as civilians? According to Hezbo during the last battle a month ago, eveyone killed in Lebanon was a civilian. When you have a guy dressed in a Penny's shirt and Levi Jeans firing a machine gun or an anti-tank gun, what is he when he is killed? Tell me.

There are a lot of bigots on this site then if your definition is true. I know a few around here who are bigoted against Chrsitians for their views. Do you hear me calling them a bigot? Do you see any Christians calling them bigots?

I stated a fact. He is a muslim and in his holy book it tells him it is good to lie to an infidel (me) to further the cause of Islam. I'd be a fool to believe him.
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Another demonstration of bigotry would be in declaring "liberalism" as a mental disease, and openly professing that you support the troops abroad EXCEPT for the liberal ones.
Another demonstration of bigotry would be calling Christians liars and deriding their beliefs. What does that make you. Looks like this place is just full of bigots. Shall we have a bigot party? Everyone's invited.
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Another demonstration of bigotry would be calling Christians liars and deriding their beliefs. What does that make you. Looks like this place is just full of bigots. Shall we have a bigot party? Everyone's invited.
I thought that was Hev, not foundit.

And anyway, Hev was making a logical connection. He claimed that because there is not objective proof of God, for one to claim that they absolutely know God as a fact, they would be a liar. Now, of coarse, I don't believe that would constitute lying, because in order to lie you would need to be conscious that you are spreading false information, otherwise its just ignorance. And many people believe 100% that their god is real.

But I also believed he stated that he had nothing against Christians, and would still listen to their opinions. His view on religion is seperate. Thus this case wouldn't really be bigotry. Bigotry would be that he would start to have intolerance toward Christians that are presenting things that are rather seperate from the religion debate itself, just in spite that the said individual is a Christian. I haven't seen this from Hev.
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I thought that was Hev, not foundit.

And anyway, Hev was making a logical connection. He claimed that because there is not objective proof of God, for one to claim that they absolutely know God as a fact, they would be a liar. Now, of coarse, I don't believe that would constitute lying, because in order to lie you would need to be conscious that you are spreading false information, otherwise its just ignorance. And many people believe 100% that their god is real.

But I also believed he stated that he had nothing against Christians, and would still listen to their opinions. His view on religion is seperate. Thus this case wouldn't really be bigotry. Bigotry would be that he would start to have intolerance toward Christians that are presenting things that are rather seperate from the religion debate itself, just in spite that the said individual is a Christian. I haven't seen this from Hev.
Ask him if he tolerates Christian beliefs and find out for yourself if he is a bigot.
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No bigot on this end pal. I do know that is what the Koran says. I'm also not ignorant and you know I'm not. The fact that I disagree with you and for sound reasons does not make me a bigot or ignorant. You know what it says in the Koran and you know I'm right.

Little friend.. if you had bothered looking at the links i gave, one of them happens to be the jewish virtual library.

You know nothing of the quran. There is NEVER any talk of lying to ANYBODY. And you know what if there IS, then i am not a MUSLIM. Big deal.

That still makes you a bigot because you condemn me because of my background, and not my beliefs. I just happen to have been born to a muslim family so that automatically makes me a lying terrorist?????

You are such a crybaby. You complain that everybody seems to hassle you on this site.. but god forbid you actually looked to yourself for an explanation. You think maybe that it has something to do with the fact that you have assaulted everybody on this forum like a rabid dog?

I have been supremely patient with you. If i had attacked your religion in such a vile manner as you have mine, you would have been dead and buried with a stroke by now.

I have confirmed NONE of you prejudices. I speak clearly and without anger.. i condemn all violence. I have NEVER insulted your religion. I have NEVER called you a LIAR.. and i have NEVER EVER tried to silence you.

And yet you have the GALL to call me a lying terrorist?? little man i am BETTER than you.. i actually ACT properly, whereas you TALK and TALK of being peaceful and nice and respectful, but int he end you always fly off your rocker like the primitve ape you are.

I am not the terrorist.. YOU are.
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Little friend.. if you had bothered looking at the links i gave, one of them happens to be the jewish virtual library.

You know nothing of the quran. There is NEVER any talk of lying to ANYBODY. And you know what if there IS, then i am not a MUSLIM. Big deal.

That still makes you a bigot because you condemn me because of my background, and not my beliefs. I just happen to have been born to a muslim family so that automatically makes me a lying terrorist?????

You are such a crybaby. You complain that everybody seems to hassle you on this site.. but god forbid you actually looked to yourself for an explanation. You think maybe that it has something to do with the fact that you have assaulted everybody on this forum like a rabid dog?

I have been supremely patient with you. If i had attacked your religion in such a vile manner as you have mine, you would have been dead and buried with a stroke by now.

I have confirmed NONE of you prejudices. I speak clearly and without anger.. i condemn all violence. I have NEVER insulted your religion. I have NEVER called you a LIAR.. and i have NEVER EVER tried to silence you.

And yet you have the GALL to call me a lying terrorist?? little man i am BETTER than you.. i actually ACT properly, whereas you TALK and TALK of being peaceful and nice and respectful, but int he end you always fly off your rocker like the primitve ape you are.

I am not the terrorist.. YOU are.
I never called you a terrorist. I called you a terrorist sympathizer. I have never tried to silence you. I have challenged you. Let's settle this once and for all. Do you believe the Koran or not?
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I never called you a terrorist. I called you a terrorist sympathizer. I have never tried to silence you. I have challenged you. Let's settle this once and for all. Do you believe the Koran or not?
Littel friend calling allah a toad is not challenging me.. that is attempting to assault me. You never hear such vile slurs from me.

I am not a terrorist sympathiser. I am a sympathiser of all victims and i condemn all who use violence to solve problems.

I believe in the Quran but not in that sick twisted interpretation that you think i believe in. I believe in peace. I believe men and women are equal. I believe all humans regardless of religion ethnicity and creed will be judged by the same yard stick. that means a good jew will be judged as good and a bad muslim will be judged as bad.

I believe that forgiveness and tolerance is the PRIME DUTY of all muslims ( but most muslims seem to have forgotten this lesson).

I am a muslim my friend but you are the one who terms me your enemy. As far as i am concerned you are as entitled to forgiveness and tolerance as anybody else. I speak to you calmly and honestly. I turn the other cheek when you assault my background.

I give you NO REASON to attack me other than the complete truth as i see it.

So i believe in the quran.. And????
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Littel friend calling allah a toad is not challenging me.. that is attempting to assault me. You never hear such vile slurs from me.

I am not a terrorist sympathiser. I am a sympathiser of all victims and i condemn all who use violence to solve problems.

I believe in the Quran but not in that sick twisted interpretation that you think i believe in. I believe in peace. I believe men and women are equal. I believe all humans regardless of religion ethnicity and creed will be judged by the same yard stick. that means a good jew will be judged as good and a bad muslim will be judged as bad.

I believe that forgiveness and tolerance is the PRIME DUTY of all muslims ( but most muslims seem to have forgotten this lesson).

I am a muslim my friend but you are the one who terms me your enemy. As far as i am concerned you are as entitled to forgiveness and tolerance as anybody else. I speak to you calmly and honestly. I turn the other cheek when you assault my background.

I give you NO REASON to attack me other than the complete truth as i see it.

So i believe in the quran.. And????
Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”

Qur’an:8:39 “Fight them until all opposition ends and all submit to Allah.”

Qur’an:8:39 “So fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief [non-Muslims]) and all submit to the religion of Allah alone (in the whole world).”

Ishaq:324 “He said, ‘Fight them so that there is no more rebellion, and religion, all of it, is for Allah only. Allah must have no rivals.’”

Qur’an:9:14 “Fight them and Allah will punish them by your hands, lay them low, and cover them with shame. He will help you over them.”

Ishaq:587 “Our onslaught will not be a weak faltering affair. We shall fight as long as we live. We will fight until you turn to Islam, humbly seeking refuge. We will fight not caring whom we meet. We will fight whether we destroy ancient holdings or newly gotten gains. We have mutilated every opponent. We have driven them violently before us at the command of Allah and Islam. We will fight until our religion is established. And we will plunder them, for they must suffer disgrace.”

Qur’an:8:65 “O Prophet, urge the faithful to fight. If there are twenty among you with determination they will vanquish two hundred; if there are a hundred then they will slaughter a thousand unbelievers, for the infidels are a people devoid of understanding.”

Bukhari:V4B52N63 “A man whose face was covered with an iron mask came to the Prophet and said, ‘Allah’s Apostle! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first?’ The Prophet said, ‘Embrace Islam first and then fight.’ So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah’s Apostle said, ‘A Little work, but a great reward.’”

Bukhari:V4B53N386 “Our Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, ordered us to fight you till you worship Allah alone or pay us the Jizyah tribute tax in submission. Our Prophet has informed us that our Lord says: ‘Whoever amongst us is killed as a martyr shall go to Paradise to lead such a luxurious life as he has never seen, and whoever survives shall become your master.’”

Qur’an:9:38 “Believers, what is the matter with you, that when you are asked to go forth and fight in Allah’s Cause you cling to the earth? Do you prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? Unless you go forth, He will afflict and punish you with a painful doom, and put others in your place.”

Qur’an:9:123 “Fight the unbelievers around you, and let them find harshness in you.”
Qur’an:8:72 “Those who accepted Islam and left their homes to fight in Allah’s Cause with their possessions and persons, and those who gave (them) asylum, aid, and shelter, those who harbored them—these are allies of one another. You are not responsible for protecting those who embraced Islam but did not leave their homes [to fight] until they do so.” [Another translation reads:] “You are only called to protect Muslims who fight.”

Muslim:C9B1N31 “I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify to the fact that there is no god but Allah, and believe in me (that) I am the Messenger and in all that I have brought.”

Tabari IX:69 “Arabs are the most noble people in lineage, the most prominent, and the best in deeds. We were the first to respond to the call of the Prophet. We are Allah’s helpers and the viziers of His Messenger. We fight people until they believe in Allah. He who believes in Allah and His Messenger has protected his life and possessions from us. As for one who disbelieves, we will fight him forever in the Cause of Allah. Killing him is a small matter to us.”

Qur’an:48:16 “Say (Muhammad) to the wandering desert Arabs who lagged behind: ‘You shall be invited to fight against a people given to war with mighty prowess. You shall fight them until they surrender and submit. If you obey, Allah will grant you a reward, but if you turn back, as you did before, He will punish you with a grievous torture.”

Qur’an:47:4 “When you clash with the unbelieving Infidels in battle (fighting Jihad in Allah’s Cause), smite their necks until you overpower them, killing and wounding many of them. At length, when you have thoroughly subdued them, bind them firmly, making (them) captives. Thereafter either generosity or ransom (them based upon what benefits Islam) until the war lays down its burdens. Thus are you commanded by Allah to continue carrying out Jihad against the unbelieving infidels until they submit to Islam.”

Qur’an:47:31 “And We shall try you until We know those among you who are the fighters.”

Tabari VI:138 “Those present at the oath of Aqabah had sworn an allegiance to Muhammad. It was a pledge of war against all men. Allah had permitted fighting.”

Qur’an:9:19 “Do you make the giving of drink to pilgrims, or the maintenance of the Mosque, equal to those who fight in the Cause of Allah? They are not comparable in the sight of Allah. Those who believe, and left their homes, striving with might, fighting in Allah’s Cause with their goods and their lives, have the highest rank in the sight of Allah.”

Ishaq:530 “Get out of his way, you infidel unbelievers. Every good thing goes with the Apostle. Lord, I believe in his word. We will fight you about its interpretations as we have fought you about its revelation with strokes that will remove heads from shoulders and make enemies of friends.”

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