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Old 09-11-2006, 04:41 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Yeah so can we lay the myth of "liberal bias" in the media to rest. If FOx is the largest, then it can out-bias any other liberal outlet. yes?
Actually, I believe Fox is FAR MORE NEUTRAL than most other media.

For instance, they have shows like "Hannity & Colmes" - 2 guys, one liberal and one conservative, that do a talk-show.

How many shows like that do you see on other networks?
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Actually, I believe Fox is FAR MORE NEUTRAL than most other media.

For instance, they have shows like "Hannity & Colmes" - 2 guys, one liberal and one conservative, that do a talk-show.

How many shows like that do you see on other networks?

Personally i watch BBC for my news needs. American media in general is too partisan in its news reporting. As for Hannity and Colmes. I'm sorry, but colmes is merely the backdrop of democratic stupidity against which sean hannity's republican opinions look supremely smart and reasonable.

FOx is the LEAST neutral in its news reporting. Again i refer you to a content analysis experiment i suggested a while back. FOX uses loaded and opinionated language when reporting the news. Just count how many times words that do not relate fact but rather opinion ( evil, good, hero, tragedy, villain, immoral, right, wrong) and then compare it to how many times BBC reporters use this type of language.

Incidentally Rupert Murdochs SKY news channel is just a european FOX network. It's awful
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:15 AM   #33 (permalink)
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The summer month's are often a time of down ratings across the board for networks and cable outlets alike. I think it is more telling that according to the numbers posted on DrudgeReport that some show on MTV outdrew everything on CNN and HeadlineNews and MSNBC. Foxnews clearly still just dominates the day and evening. Why? Because the bias on the other networks is too clear to simply ignore. Does Fox have a lot of conservative voices, sure. However, they do not short change liberals. You have to make a distinction from a Fox commentator and the actual news being delivered.

The ratings drop at Fox isnt something I would worry about for a few reasons:
1) The numbers actually read as follows. They are down 22% in the 25-54 demo, but only down about 8% in total viewership. That's for second quarter. CNN is down 18% in that same demo, and 2% in total viewership.
2) Was there a correlating rise in viewership on other networks, so for I would say no.
3) In television everything runs in cycles. To expect Fox to dominate forever is probably a little unrealistic. However, what does it say for the fate of news in this country when Fox can drop by a bit and still kick the hell out of everyone? Television is like everything else you have ups and down's. If people are leaving Fox, it appears they arent going to CNN either. For how many more years is Lou Dobbs gonna get his ass kicked at 6PM and Larry King at 9 PM?

It also must be pointed out that Fox reached its zenith for ratings during the period of the last presidential election and in the furor that occured before and directly after. This is a mid term election and even while we here may be plugged into whats happening, much of America doesnt care about mid terms. Turn out is light to vote and it would appear turn off is heavy for cable news in general.
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The summer month's are often a time of down ratings across the board for networks and cable outlets alike. I think it is more telling that according to the numbers posted on DrudgeReport that some show on MTV outdrew everything on CNN and HeadlineNews and MSNBC. Foxnews clearly still just dominates the day and evening. Why? Because the bias on the other networks is too clear to simply ignore. Does Fox have a lot of conservative voices, sure. However, they do not short change liberals. You have to make a distinction from a Fox commentator and the actual news being delivered.

The ratings drop at Fox isnt something I would worry about for a few reasons:
1) The numbers actually read as follows. They are down 22% in the 25-54 demo, but only down about 8% in total viewership. That's for second quarter. CNN is down 18% in that same demo, and 2% in total viewership.
2) Was there a correlating rise in viewership on other networks, so for I would say no.
3) In television everything runs in cycles. To expect Fox to dominate forever is probably a little unrealistic. However, what does it say for the fate of news in this country when Fox can drop by a bit and still kick the hell out of everyone? Television is like everything else you have ups and down's. If people are leaving Fox, it appears they arent going to CNN either. For how many more years is Lou Dobbs gonna get his ass kicked at 6PM and Larry King at 9 PM?

It also must be pointed out that Fox reached its zenith for ratings during the period of the last presidential election and in the furor that occured before and directly after. This is a mid term election and even while we here may be plugged into whats happening, much of America doesnt care about mid terms. Turn out is light to vote and it would appear turn off is heavy for cable news in general.
O.K. People are not traveling as much this summer???????????
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Old 09-12-2006, 02:22 AM   #35 (permalink)
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BBC? You mean the spineless network?
Personally i watch BBC for my news needs. American media in general is too partisan in its news reporting. As for Hannity and Colmes. I'm sorry, but colmes is merely the backdrop of democratic stupidity against which sean hannity's republican opinions look supremely smart and reasonable.

FOx is the LEAST neutral in its news reporting.

BBC, huh. You mean the guys who are afraid to call terrorists what they are? Gee I dunno terrorists? They won't use the word terror. Is that part of their nuetrality? Or is it the product of an imported culture of appeasment sent accross the channel from Europe. You wanna talk about an anti-American bias? If I need to puke up some bad english food I'll whatch the BBC. Fox uses words to describe people: Bin-Laden=Evil, Saddam=Evil, 9/11 rescuer=Hero, soldier=hero etc. Those arent loaded words, they are perfectly accurate ones.

If you are to the left of Alan Colmes ya might want to think about moving to China. I hear they have excellent media coverage there.
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Fox's Summer ratings etc
IntangibleChild: O.K. People are not traveling as much this summer???????????

I think what you are saying is that since people stayed closer to home this summer due in part to high gas prices that there should have been more people home whatching cable news outlets.

That's a fallacy. Summer months whether you stay home or fly 3000 miles away are generally spent not whatching TV. I think you are trying to say that Fox's dip in ratings can't be correlated to simple summer drops in the past because there supposedly should have been more people at home whatching. That doesnt make sense since there is no cause/effect. You cant say that because someone stayed local for the summer months at home, they should have been whatching Fox or CNN etc. Historically, through trends of increased and decreased travel in the summer, TV ratings remain reletively low when compared to other periods.

I might advise you to not get your information from a slander website. I bet you are the kind of person who gets their news from moveon.org and thedailyKos? You do realize that it might be helpful not be such a partisan and explore more than one possibility. You're a liberal you're supposed to be the open minded one?

Also to your little quote there about making judgements about people by the company they keep. John Lennon hung out with drug addicts, groupies, no talent wannabe wives, and communists. So what does that say about him. I probably wouldn't have said anything about that but ya had to to throw the cheap shot in at W.

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Old 09-12-2006, 02:50 AM   #37 (permalink)
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Personally i watch BBC for my news needs. American media in general is too partisan in its news reporting. As for Hannity and Colmes. I'm sorry, but colmes is merely the backdrop of democratic stupidity against which sean hannity's republican opinions look supremely smart and reasonable.

FOx is the LEAST neutral in its news reporting.

BBC, huh. You mean the guys who are afraid to call terrorists what they are? Gee I dunno terrorists? They won't use the word terror. Is that part of their nuetrality? Or is it the product of an imported culture of appeasment sent accross the channel from Europe. You wanna talk about an anti-American bias? If I need to puke up some bad english food I'll whatch the BBC. Fox uses words to describe people: Bin-Laden=Evil, Saddam=Evil, 9/11 rescuer=Hero, soldier=hero etc. Those arent loaded words, they are perfectly accurate ones.

If you are to the left of Alan Colmes ya might want to think about moving to China. I hear they have excellent media coverage there.

hahahahahaha.. sweet .. we have another of ur type on the forum. Listen my dear friend, BBC is by far the most neutral world news channel. It is not the job of the news reporter to decide whether somebody is "good" or "evil". A news reporter REPORTS facts. Opinions are then formed by the individuals who receive the news. It is not BBC's job to put a moral tag on anything. They have to report the news and let people do with the news as they see fit. That is PROPER reporting. Fox simply doesn't have the class to do this. I mean geez. Bill O'Reilly is a complete loon and he's taken so seriously by Fox. That's just a pity.

You can watch fox all you want. It may be an accurate channel when it comes to local american news. But as far as international news is concerned, the Fox view is shamefully partisan. Sitting in pakistan as a muslim i can tell you that Fox news consistently upsets normal, non-violent, non-terrorist people. WHy? Because it fosters a climate of distrust, dislike and condescension for anyone and anything that is not a W.A.S.P. American.

Fox consistently makes moral judgements on news. Morality is a personal matter and should never be included in the news.

Colmes is not left wing. He is barely centrist. In any case he defers to the moral judgements of hannity which completely prevents him from asking those questions that are pertinent. He is a completely useless opponent. The show really should be called "Hannity and not really Colmes". It is a dirty trick used by a right wing media outlet. Put a baboon to defend liberal policies and then watch a more powerful man grind him into the ground. Hannity would never be able to actually debate a sensible liberal. Colmes couldn't argue his way out of a phone booth.

I am a left liberal simply because i believe humanity can develop only through consensus. Not through the destruction of enemies ( as you and your klan brethren believe). You know who else believes in peace through destruction? Terrorists.
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Personally i watch BBC for my news needs. American media in general is too partisan in its news reporting. As for Hannity and Colmes. I'm sorry, but colmes is merely the backdrop of democratic stupidity against which sean hannity's republican opinions look supremely smart and reasonable.

FOx is the LEAST neutral in its news reporting.

BBC, huh. You mean the guys who are afraid to call terrorists what they are? Gee I dunno terrorists? They won't use the word terror.
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Most of Fox News tv programs are opinion pieces. The same goes for most other Cable News Networks.

Fox News

The O'Reilly Factor
Hannity & Colmes

MSNBC

Tucker
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Personally i watch BBC for my news needs. American media in general is too partisan in its news reporting. As for Hannity and Colmes. I'm sorry, but colmes is merely the backdrop of democratic stupidity against which sean hannity's republican opinions look supremely smart and reasonable.

FOx is the LEAST neutral in its news reporting. Again i refer you to a content analysis experiment i suggested a while back. FOX uses loaded and opinionated language when reporting the news. Just count how many times words that do not relate fact but rather opinion ( evil, good, hero, tragedy, villain, immoral, right, wrong) and then compare it to how many times BBC reporters use this type of language.

Incidentally Rupert Murdochs SKY news channel is just a european FOX network. It's awful
The reason Colmes comes across as merely a backdrop of democratic stupidity is what you see and that is what it is. The reason Hannity's republican opinions look suprememly smart and reasonable is obviously because they are. You even admit it. They have representatives from both sides on their show continually. Name one on CNN or MSNBC? You can't. The old media is so liberal that when a show that balances both sides comes on you liberals think it is far right when, in fact, it is in the middle.
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