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Old 09-19-2006, 08:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Alias, that was the notion of Taliban's programs (taking a stand for their beliefs in the form of soldiery). The difference is, is that they live in a country that has been ingulfed in war for centuries. Their enemies are right there.

But seriously, you think "warriors of God" doesn't connotate possible future religious violence? The last time an organization calling themselves soldiers for a Christian god there were tens of terrorist attacks on abortion clinics (I speak of the "Army of God" here in the US).

They literally say they're training those children to be willing to die for their religion; just as they do in Pakistan and Palestine (AL-QAEDA is based in Pakistan, HAMAS in Palestine!).

The hypocrisy is amazing; religious extremism is bad unless its Christian extremism??

You never heard of Christian spiritual warfare? Every Christian is told to be ready to die for their beliefs. Nothing new here. You don't understand what si going on is all. They are teaching the kids to do battle spiritually, not physically. The video is liberal propaganda. Here is a popular passage from the New Testament on Christian spiritual warfare. Tell me what are the weapons of violence used.

Ephesians 6:10-18 (New International Version)
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10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

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Old 09-19-2006, 08:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Because you know, 41 bombings, 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 173 arsons, and 100 attacks with butyric acid is just "spiritual warfare".

I don't take too lightly when people say they want to teach them to die for their religion "just as they do in countries like Pakistan and Palestine". And I'll find it funny if you attempt to argue that groups in those two countries don't actually do violent religious warfare. They say they're being trained to die for their religion; not be effective "fighters" in a spiritual war to closer them to their God.

And liberal propaganda? I find that funny when the documentary actually takes the side of the camp.

(Those instances were Christian violence against just abortion clinics in the US by the way)
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Old 09-19-2006, 08:48 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Because you know, 41 bombings, 7 murders, 17 attempted murders, 3 kidnappings, 375 death threats, 655 anthrax threats, 173 arsons, and 100 attacks with butyric acid is just "spiritual warfare".

I don't take too lightly when people say they want to teach them to die for their religion "just as they do in countries like Pakistan and Palestine". And I'll find it funny if you attempt to argue that groups in those two countries don't actually do violent religious warfare.

(Those instances were violence against just abortion clinics from American Christian groups by the way.)
Yes and they were committed by individuals who were nuts. The nun who was murdered by a muslim died for her religion. Who did she murder? Do you wish to castigate her also? You are very confused.
Where is the video of them teaching the kids how to strap on bomb vests? Where is the video of the kids marching in the streets holding rifles? I can show you pictures of muslim children doing that?

Read that bible passage again and show me where it mentions physical voilence. You really don't get it. You are pathetically trying to make a moral equivalent case of Christianity to Islamic fascism. All it does is make you look ignorant of Christianity. But, hey, who am I to stand in a person's way of making a fool out of themselves. Be my guest. You are making as big a fool of yourself as Rosie O'Donnell did by attempting to say the same thing. You could tell who the ignorant ones were, they were the ones clapping. You must have been in the audience.

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Hah, I'm an ignorant fool now? Somehow I knew you're little episode of actually trying to be mature wouldn't last very long. But hey, you know, if you actually read what I write (or comprehend rather), then you would know that I'm not trying to equate Christianity to "Islamic fascism", I'm equating Christian extremism with Muslim extremism, and rightly so on behalf of all of those who died just because they go to work and try to make a living at abortion clinics or the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
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Another difference between the Christian Faith and the islamic faith in regards to individuals that commit terrorist acts in the name of their religion is that the leaders of the Christian Faith condemn and denounce that individual that commit the act. the islamic leaders encourage and condone terrorist type behavior.

Oh the last I heard that nun in Somolia was shot in the back by 4 muslims. ,,,maybe she pulled a ruler on them

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.... Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Was Timothy (asswipe) McViegh a Chritian? CBS: Rights Of Muslims Trampled Since 9/11 | NewsBusters.org

According to an article in "Human Events" on May 6, 2002, Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian, and thus the Oklahoma City bombing was not an act of Christian terrorism. Yet, there is no doubt of the beliefs of the 19 men who hijacked planes and flew them into buildings on 9/11 nor is there any question of their motivations.
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Another difference between the Christian Faith and the islamic faith in regards to individuals that commit terrorist acts in the name of their religion is that the leaders of the Christian Faith condemn and denounce that individual that commit the act. the islamic leaders encourage and condone terrorist type behavior.
Have any proof of that? Every Muslim I have talked to deeply condemns terrorism and says its diametrically opposed to the teachings of Islam. Most condemn it. In fact, even a lot people from Al-Qaeda left the group because they were opposed to the terror tactics of 9/11; claiming the killing of innocents is forbidden in Jihad (which, actually Mohammud did forbid the harming of innocents, livestock, and trees).

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Oh the last I heard that nun in Somolia was shot in the back by 4 muslims. ,,,maybe she pulled a ruler on them
I'm sure I could easily provide you with some horrible evidence of some crime committed by Christians or of another faith...but that does not condemn the entire religion.

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Was Timothy (asswipe) McViegh a Chritian? CBS: Rights Of Muslims Trampled Since 9/11 | NewsBusters.org

According to an article in "Human Events" on May 6, 2002, Timothy McVeigh was not a Christian, and thus the Oklahoma City bombing was not an act of Christian terrorism. Yet, there is no doubt of the beliefs of the 19 men who hijacked planes and flew them into buildings on 9/11 nor is there any question of their motivations.
Newsbusters?

Timothy McVeigh was a Christian...the proof is here.

The bombing wasn't soley religious violence, yes. But it was in "retaliation" for Waco, something that is obviously religiously charged.

But its only fair to attempt to say McVeigh's bombing was religious violence if you guys continue to proclaim most of the insurgency in Iraq religious violence. Which of coarse most of its not. Many of the insurgents are Iraqis resisting what they see as imperialism...and supporters of Saddam are secular, just as Saddam was highly secular.
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Every Muslim I have talked to deeply condemns terrorism and says its diametrically opposed to the teachings of Islam. Most condemn it.
Those Muslims that you know, They must know sign language and are waving their arms feverishliy in protest against what the "extremists" in their faith are doing, or maybe i'm deaf,, I don't know.

Oh and thanks for the Bible lesson.

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Hah, I'm an ignorant fool now? Somehow I knew you're little episode of actually trying to be mature wouldn't last very long. But hey, you know, if you actually read what I write (or comprehend rather), then you would know that I'm not trying to equate Christianity to "Islamic fascism", I'm equating Christian extremism with Muslim extremism, and rightly so on behalf of all of those who died just because they go to work and try to make a living at abortion clinics or the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City.
Yes, only a fool would try to equate a few nuts who bomb abortion clinics to a world-wide islamic fascism killing thousands of people every month in the name of Allah.. Where is your evidence that Timothy McVeigh bombed the Federal building in the name of Jesus. Your own link to the interview, he states he was raised Catholic and lot touch. That is not a Christian nut fundamentalist. He is a nut period. Once again you take one topic which you skew to try to make a point of Christian children who are being trained to kill when in fact they are not and then you mix it with Timothy McVeigh who was not even a Chrisitian fundamentalist. Your desparation to try compare Christian fundamentalists with Muslim fascists is as amusing as the asanine attempt by Rosie O'Donnell.

I read what you wrote and it's utter nonsense like most of your crap.

Why not just admit to the real-life factual evidence that Islamic fascism is a world-wide problem and stop trying to reduce it to the same level as a few nuts. You're just plain goofy.

It's kinda like some guy hollering about a leaky faucet while his home is being flooded by a hurricane. You're just plain goofy.

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