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Old 09-18-2006, 05:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Jesus Camp
The Christian Taliban?

YouTube - Jesus Camp : Kids Worshipping to a George Bush Picture

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Old 09-18-2006, 07:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Booooo. Those holy rollers is a gonna git ya. Are you insinuating that the Jesus Camp is morally equivalent to this?


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Old 09-18-2006, 07:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Almost yeah, Jesus camp hasn't gotten to the point of actually stock piling weapons, but I'd give them some time.

But they're strikingly similar...and I speak in the context of youth indoctrination programs designed to make "soldiers of God".
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Almost yeah, Jesus camp hasn't gotten to the point of actually stock piling weapons, but I'd give them some time.

But they're strikingly similar...and I speak in the context of youth indoctrination programs designed to make "soldiers of God".
Do you believe the "soldiers of God" in the Jesus Camp are now being taught or will be taught to murder people?
Old 09-19-2006, 02:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"Warriors" are trained to kill for what they believe in. This camp is "training warriors". Watch the video, the lady says they want to get their children to want to die for their religion just like they do in Pakistan, Israel, and Palestine. Now all their favorite idols they worship need to do is give them a gun and point at someone and say "devil".
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"Warriors" are trained to kill for what they believe in. This camp is "training warriors". Watch the video, the lady says they want to get their children to want to die for their religion just like they do in Pakistan, Israel, and Palestine. Now all their favorite idols they worship need to do is give them a gun and point at someone and say "devil".
Who said they are going to kill for what they believe in? I never heard that.
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The Christian Taliban?
"Christian Taliban"?

Can't help but follow through on that statement with...

Our American Taliban Speaks Out

"State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse."
Dr. James Dobson Religious Right Profiles James Dobson

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
Ann Coulter, This is War column, Sept. 13, 2001

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

"It's like guerrilla warfare. If you reveal your location, all it does is allow your opponent to improve his artillery bearings. It's better to move quietly, with stealth, under cover of night. You've got two choices: You can wear cammies and shimmy along on your belly, or you can put on a red coat and stand up for everyone to see. It comes down to whether you want to be the British army in the Revolutionary War or the Viet Cong. History tells us which tactic was more effective."
-- Ralph Reed, Los Angeles Times, March 22, 1992, admitting that he wants to deceive us regarding his true aims

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
-- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, The Evangelist, January 1988

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-- Randall Terry, quoted in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, August 16, 1993

"We're going to bring back God and the Bible and drive the gods of secular humanism right out of the public schools of America."
-- Pat Buchanan, campaign address at an anti-gay rally in Des Moines, Iowa, February 11, 1996

"A civil war is brewing in which we must deal with the Jews. It is a time of reckoning for their pact with the devil."
--Robert G. Millar (1925-2001) Elohim City -- Extremism in America

"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."
--Jay Grimstead, February 1987

"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."
--Rev. Joseph Morecraft,Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, Marietta, Georgia, quoted in "the Public Eye," June 1994

" We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."
-- Gary Bauer, (source unknown)

"We are approaching a time when Christians, especially, may have to declare the social contract between Enlightenment rationalists and Biblical believers - which formed the basis of the constitution written at our nation's founding - null and void."
--Cal Thomas, conservative commentator; Washington Times, 1996-OCT-23

"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant--baptism and holy communion--must be denied citizenship, just as they were in ancient Israel."
-- Gary North - Political Polytheism: The Myth of Pluralism, Tyler, TX: Institute for Christian Economics, 1989, p. 87

"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."
--D. James Kennedy, "Education: Public Problems and Private Solutions," Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993

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Hmmm Jesus Camp or Cub Scouts, Jesus Camp or Cub Scouts,,, Where to send Jonny Jr. ???
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Talk about making a mountain out of a mole hill..........

A camp for Christian children being taught to take a stand for their beliefs has all of a sudden become a threat to American society. Better look out, them Christian kids is a gonna git ya and cast the devil right out of ya.....boooo.

How about a little perspective here.....

Indonesian Christians to be Executed Thursday - Christian Newswire

Show me some Christian Jesus camps for kids that are going to kill some muslims.

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Old 09-19-2006, 06:23 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Alias, that was the notion of Taliban's programs (taking a stand for their beliefs in the form of soldiery). The difference is, is that they live in a country that has been ingulfed in war for centuries. Their enemies are right there.

But seriously, you think "warriors of God" doesn't connotate possible future religious violence? The last time an organization calling themselves soldiers for a Christian god there were tens of terrorist attacks on abortion clinics (I speak of the "Army of God" here in the US).

They literally say they're training those children to be willing to die for their religion; just as they do in Pakistan and Palestine (AL-QAEDA is based in Pakistan, HAMAS in Palestine!).

The hypocrisy is amazing; religious extremism is bad unless its Christian extremism??
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