jefferson---Haven't you already posted this exact same thing about 500 times?

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Where's O/Usama?????????

For your future reference, here's what Bush has said about bin Laden at various points in time, depending on how he was trying to spin things:

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." - G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

"I want justice...There's an old poster out West, as I recall, that said, 'Wanted: Dead or Alive,'" - G.W. Bush, 9/17/01, UPI

"...Secondly, he is not escaping us. This is a guy, who, three months ago, was in control of a county [sic]. Now he's maybe in control of a cave. He's on the run. Listen, a while ago I said to the American people, our objective is more than bin Laden. But one of the things for certain is we're going to get him running and keep him running, and bring him to justice. And that's what's happening. He's on the run, if he's running at all. So we don't know whether he's in cave with the door shut, or a cave with the door open -- we just don't know...." - Bush, in remarks in a Press Availablity with the Press Travel Pool, The Prairie Chapel Ranch, Crawford TX, 12/28/01, as reported on
official White House site

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." - G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him." - G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts, 3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)

Well you are confusing two issues here.

Saddam has nothing to do with Islam. Iraq was a secular muslim state. In fact it was saddam's regime that prevented civil war and the thousands of deaths that follow.

Anyhow this thread was about the fallout of the Iraq war.

Are you going to turn around and deny that the US is responsible for the misery in Iraq? Would you prefer to pass the buck to the Iraqis?

So basically you're saying that once you have invaded and shot up the country, deposed a leader and IMPOSED an outside governmental system.. THEN the iraqis should pick it up happily and live joyously forever after?

Come on dude.. That is neither realistic nor fair.

The Germans and the Japanese did okay after being occupied in WWII. They didn't go around killing each other. Why do Muslims? If Germany and Japan and all of Europe and China can get along with all their citizens after being occupied from a war, why can't the muslims? Why don't you every look in a mirror instead of blaming America for all your problems. You guys have been killing each other for centuries. All you are doing is not accepting reality.

Or maybe it's the region, seeing as massacres by christians were commonplace in Europe while war and civil strife permeated it up to the 1700s. You're also forgetting that quote I gave you a while back about how "Allah loves not the aggressor." Hate to stoop down to the level of hammering it into your head.

The war in Europe was not about religion. Iraq is. Wow, you know one verse from the koran. What about the verses in the koran saying to not make friends with Jews or Christians. What about the verses in the koran saying to take off the head of the infidel. Sounds like the mulims are doing exactly what their book says to do. Maybe you never read those verses.

All one has to do is look at what is going on in the Gaza Strip. Not only are Muslims attacking Isreal they are attacking each other.

Are there more terrorists today, yes, but they are in Iraq and Afghanistan, not here. The nations of the world are fighting them, Somalia, Britain, and even Russia.

If you are against the War, then anything that comes out showing why it is wrong, you support. But the simple fact of the matter remains, what the terrorist want is not what this world needs. Women covering their faces, deferential to men, conversion to one religion. Rule of the many by the enlightened and religious few. At least we see where those who oppose the war really stand. Above everyone else in their limited knowledge, ready to enslave billions.

dmk

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And the PLO will blow up buses, school buses, pizzarias, malls, and stores so your point?? Or is this an excuse to bash something else. My point was about the terrorists, who not only fight their enemies but fight themselves.

dmk

In order to be crazy enough to kill yourself you have to be just that.. CRAZY. EVILNESS is not a rationale that ANYBODY uses. YOu will never find a single person in the world saying they do something because they are evil. They truly believe they are doing right.. Do you honestly believe that a man could kill himself if he did not believe it was the RIGHT THING TO DO??

Of course not. The PROBLEM is that SOMEHOW they are being cajoled by clerics into believing that it is the right thing to do. How is that possible?

Well for one thing if you are born and grow up in a nation and see nothing but conflict from the day you are born.. well then probably your values and priorities will be different from say a New Yorker.

The Iraqis were a subdued and terrorised peopleunder Saddam. No doubt about that. They also saw 10 years of brutal war with Iran ( funded by the US ON BOTH SIDES). Likewise they suffered hunger and pain as a result of the UN sanctions.

SO here we have a population that has been bullied around for decades. TODAY they have no leader, they have no clear identity ( What is an Iraqi without Saddam? Nobody knows since Iraq is a mix of several ethnicities and religions), they have no infrastructure, they have no control over their resources, they have no idea who will be in power in the future ( Saddam made sure he killed off all competent leaders) and MOST OF ALL, they have foreigners moving about the land as invaders.

I am not arguing the validity of the war here. However you have to accept that the circumstances caused by decades under saddam, followed by a ill-concieved, badly planned, unrealistic, unilateral invasion MIGHT JUST BE ENOUGH to send a couple of people over the edge.

Likewise with the Palestinians. Having lived as refugees and second class humans in their own land for almost 60 years can HARDLY be healthy for young minds. The people of Gaza do not see international politics. They see Israelis taking their lands and killing their people. They are hungry, homeless, jobless and in many cases completely without hope.

A man kills himself when he feels he has nothing to lose and everything to gain. The PROBLEM to be adressed is how these people get to that point. THAT will cure the disease.. otherwise you are only dealing with symptoms.

However if you believe that some humans are just plain evil, then i guess none of what i say makes sense. But i would be sad if anybody felt that way. I think that is selling humanity short.

You're forgetting that the little "quote" was given by a man who was nothing short of a blood-thirsty, war-mongering terrorist. Yes, Muhammad himself - personally murdered hundreds, if not thousands, of people.

Besides, I'm not talking theory. I'm talking reality.


So go ahead and try to make it look like christianity has killed more people than Islam - but you're dead wrong. And you're also wrong in that we are now living in the 21st century - not the 17th century.