It's funny how in this situation, we are talking about the woman predicting the future regarding a man who will be hiding his true intentions.
But for the man, it's a situation of him being SELF-AWARE enough to realize his true intentions.
Obviously, the man is more capable of averting such a situation, but NOT ONCE have you ever put any mention of the man's responsibility for the situation.

Your focus speaks volumes of your myopic fixation on blaming the woman.


You're desparate to change the topic, aren't you...


I think a better question would be how the hell do you NOT know how these things work?
I mean, not only from an experience stand-point, but from a LOGICAL stand-point.

Do you think that spousal abuse is primarily a situation where the women goes out there on the first date, gets smacked around, and then decides to ignore it? Decides that this is the guy she wants to marry?

And considering how many outstanding requests YOU have for YOUR claims, you are not one to be commenting on "conjecture"...


"leisure"?
Is that a British euphemism for a wife's mental state when she is getting a boot to her stomach?

If a woman is being beaten before the marriage, then I see some culpability in her being a victim.
But by NO means does it in any way compare to the MAN'S responsibility for ASSAULTING her.


I keep talking about the man's responsibility when it is HIS fist that is beating HER face. HE is the one who is consciously choosing to throw that punch.
And YOU keep asking the *question* of why her face is in the way of his fist...

And you have the gall to bring up "personal responsibility"?
Seriously Gar.
Do you ever notice that when somebody DOES happen to chime in with an agreement for some part of your point, there is typically some comment like "I can't believe I am agreeing with Garysher, but ..."


Did you think I was quoting you verbatim? I never pretended to be.
But as far as your EXISTING STANCE on the issue, you ARE fixating on the woman's "responsibility" in being a spousal abuse victim, while at the same time you make NO COMMENT as to the husband's responsibility for assaulting his wife.
And at the same time, when I DO talk about the husband's responsibility, you repeatedly try to bring up the wife's fault in the issue.

While not verbatim, I DID nail your stance.


So you claim.
But can you point to any soul on this message board who is "following" your "lead"?
Come on Gar. As much as you try to b.s. us, it is OBVIOUS the type of person you truly are.

I have a few questions that come to mind regarding this story. Seeing how it was done by the MSM, several very important facts have not been given.

Spc Hayes was declared AWOL when she did not report for duty. Where was she suppose to report???? A soldier does not just go on leave, catch a commercial flight from Iraq and return home, and then when that leave ends, jump back on a commercial flight to return to Iraq.

The soldier would report to duty at a base in the United States, considering this soldier is in the National Guard, she would have reported to her Guard headquaters. Now, believe it or not, the military is not as callous as everyone thinks. If this soldier had reported to duty as she was suppose to do, she probably would have been able to receive a lot of help from the military. Although, the military will not provide council to appear in a court of law, she would have been able to visit with JAG members to receive legal guidance. If the State court had issued a hearing date, the military would have respected the soldiers need to appear at said hearing.

Rather than do what she was suppose to do, Spc Hayes went AWOL. Had she reported for duty as she was suppose to do, she probably could have obtained her hardship discharge and this story would be a non-story. Once again just goes to show you, the choices we make dictate the lives we lead.

dmk