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Old 11-30-2005, 08:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Bush admin. and Republician party cave under pressure
Took them long enough



Bush to outline Iraq exit plans

US President George W Bush is to begin trying to persuade Americans that he has a plan to get troops out of Iraq.
He is set to unveil a so-called National Strategy for Victory in Iraq in a speech in Maryland.

The speech marks the first time the administration's strategy will be available in a single unclassified document, the White House says.

It comes a day after the White House said it expected to be able to reduce its number of troops in Iraq next year.

A spokesman told reporters progress was being made with the training of Iraqi security forces, which would allow the US to reduce its presence.

The BBC's Justin Webb in Washington says the rhetoric from the White House has changed.

While vows to "stay the course" have not been jettisoned entirely, the president realises that to halt the decline in his popularity and help the Republican Party keep control of Congress after mid-term elections next year, he needs to persuade Americans that he has a plan to get out of Iraq, our correspondent says.

There are currently 160,000 US troops in the country - a number expected to fall to about 138,000 after Iraqi parliamentary elections in mid-December.

The US is spending about $6bn a month to keep its forces in Iraq. About 2,100 Americans have been killed since the March 2003 invasion.

Taking advice

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said there was an expectation that in 2006 conditions in Iraq would permit the US to lower the number of troops there.

The US Senate recently voted by a large margin to demand regular reports from the administration on its progress in Iraq.

The House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly against withdrawing troops immediately.


Mr Bush's speech on Wednesday will be the first of a series of statements on Iraq in the run-up to its election on 15 December.

On Tuesday, he said pulling out too soon would send "the wrong signal" to US troops, the enemy and the people of the world.

"We're going to stand squarely with the people of Iraq and help them develop a free society," he said.

The US soldier in charge of training Iraqi forces, Lt Gen Martin Dempsey, said 212,000 police and soldiers had been trained and equipped so far, but there was still some way to go.

"They lack some capabilities that we still have to provide them and will continue to have to provide them for a period of time," he said.

'Darned good job'

US Secretary of Defence Donald Rumsfeld said the Iraqi security forces were already taking over significant security responsibilities.

"We've been passing over bases... we've been turning over responsibilities, but by golly the people who've been denigrating the Iraqi security forces are flat wrong," he said.

"They're doing a darned good job and they're doing an increasingly better job every day, every week, every month."

He said this did not amount to "quitting" Iraq.

"The answer is clear, quitting is not an exit strategy. It would be a formula for putting the American people at still greater risk and be an invitation for more terrorist violence," he said at a Pentagon news conference.

Watch President Bush's speech live here at 1450GMT

Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/h...as/4484330.stm

Published: 2005/11/30 10:46:41 GMT

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Old 12-13-2005, 10:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Training soldiers is a difficult task. Many have talked about how are soldiers receive their basic training in infantry tactics in 13 weeks. While this is true, training continues once we are assigned to a unit, for that matter training never really ends. Not to mention that we have officers and non-commissioned officers that have had several years of training. Creating a new army and police forces requires the training of all levels. From the officers who will command, the non-commissioned officers who will train and lead, and finally the enlisted who will complete the missions.

We have been training the Iraqis for a little over 18 months, and now we are seeing them taking over more and more in Iraq. The President has stayed the course, and in December the Iraqis will once again vote. Following this vote, the Iraqis will have an independent government, who will be ready with an Army and a police force. Now we can begin to withdraw our troops, something that has been needed for a while. But the President, and Gen Tommy Franks (ret) have correct in calling for the armed forces to continue the mission. More and more we are seeing the loss of support for the insurgency, our troops have been doing a fantastic job on the ground in rebuilding Iraq, although much of their work goes unreported.

I have far too many friends in Iraq who I keep contact with on a regular basis, and they all say the same, they are proud of what they are doing, they wish they were home, but they understand the need for what is is they are doing and want to finish the mission before leaving. They know the importance of doing this right, providing a basic template for a better Iraq will ensure that in future years, we will not have to once again commit troops to the region in another war. It amazes me how knowledgable our soldiers are, and how illogical their opponents remain.

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