Teacher... if you ARE a real-life teacher i fear for your students.. not only are there incorrect statements in your post, but your assertions are also based on prejudice and bigotry.

Just a few points off the top of my head:

1) The US of A is NOT the sole guardian of propriety, morality and democracy in this world. In fact i rank the US lower than most european countries in all three regards.

It is hubris to claim that america has got it right.. or maybe that america has got it MORE right than any other nation. That is just not true.

2) Actually the women of Iraq were the most emancipated in the whole middle east. They became so BECAUSE of Saddam's economic policies.. Not in spite of.

3) Iranis are PERSIAN. They are NOT arab. They do not speak arabic, and they do not have arab history.

4) Terrorism is a social phenomena. You make it sound like terrorist bombings were invented by muslims. Off the top of my head i can name the Tamil Tigers ( Tamil Buddhists) the ETA ( Basque Protestants), the IRA ( Irish Catholics ) Japanese Kamikazes, Who happen to NOT be muslim.

Terrorism is the last resort of a desparate people. It is a fabulously limited mind that would ascribe such actions to "evil".

5) Muslim women ( in spite of their discriminated status ) do not need your rescue. Your women waged their battle against your patriarchal system in their time. So too will muslim women in THEIR time ( which seems imminent ). Pakistan and bangladesh, both muslim countries have even elected women as prime ministers. Where's your female president?

6) For ever dead Israeli child, 15 palestinian children die. Who's the terrorist?

7) "Hell bent on destroying God's Chosen"??? IS that what you say? Are YOU god's chosen? What makes you say that? ANd exactly HOW is that different from the statements made by fundamentalist mullahs about YOU?

You claim that you are different, when you speak the EXACT same language as the terrorist mullahs. If a person like you was, say palestinian, he would be a fundo cleric encouraging suicide bombings ( he wouldn't have the world's most advanced military to send, so he takes to that weapon which is available.)


Anyhow i can't be bothered to flay the rest of your post. I shall end by marvelling at your ignorance. Like i said, Iranis are NOT Arabs.

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Yes, Virginia, there's no such thing as Islamid terrorists.
Tell that to Kuwait.


Not true. Wonderful way to back your point up.


Yea, compared to the rest. Had to throw that in there, didn't you?

We beat our women with sticks 33% less than our neighbors.

Yea!


I get that every other day. I know. But it's funner to say stupid Arabs. And I will continue to do so.

Deal with it.
Ah, the old "two wrongs make a right" argument.

Oh friggin blow me.

Targetting children with bombs is evil.

And so are those that would defrend such actins.

Yea, now we looking at you.

5) Muslim women ( in spite of their discriminated status ) do not need your rescue. Your women waged their battle against your patriarchal system in their time. So too will muslim women in THEIR time ( which seems imminent ). Pakistan and bangladesh, both muslim countries have even elected women as prime ministers. Where's your female president?

Seems. Nice. Listen skippy, you do wrong, we come get ya. Just is.

Friggin making stuff up now?

Nope, an ally of God's chosen.

The enemy of Satan's chosen...you.

No, see we get outta dodge when our work is done. Like Kuwait. You guys stays and enforce Islamic law.

Like I said, I know that.

But I'll call them stupid Arabs nonetheless.

Gives you a weak reason to think your so smart.

I'd stick with that if I where you.

Whoop dee doo teacher... good for you. I on the other hand AS A MUSLIM am more likely to be killed in a terrorist action than YOU are... you get that.. AS A MUSLIM.. terrorists are a bigger threat to muslims than they are to non-muslims. Doesn't that give you a hint that the "islam" of the terrorists IS NOT the Islam of the majority?
Hmm. Kuwait.. oh wait.. are you talking about the fundamentalist dictatorship that does NOT ALLOW WOMEN TO VOTE? The same dictatorship where Sharia law is enforced by a HEREDITARY DICTATOR? The same DICTATOR that the US government saw fit to RE-INSTALL? SO as long as a dictator keeps supplying the US with OIL, it seems his discriminatory and fundamentalist regime is A-OK.
All of the above are just as valid for the Saudi Regime. That happens to be another DICTATOR, who's administration denies women even the MOST BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS. They cannot drive, they cannot vote, they cannot leave the house without male permission. In fact they are second rate citizens. This practice is NOT followed by the majority of muslim nations. Yet this bastion of women's discxrimination and exploitation copntinues to thrive as a result of US support and patronage..

No teacher, you nation is NOT the guardian of morality. It's policy of supporting discriminatory dictatorships WHEN IT IS FEASIBLE completely destroys any pretences of such.

The US is the most fickle of allies, it is the most hypocritical critic, and it is the guardian of Gitmo which is a festering boil of human rights abuse on the global map.

So the kuwaitis can say what they want. The US's actions speak for themselves.

Well i think i backed it up just now no??

No doubt. Yet in spite of claims of gender equality, ANY survey will show you that women still earn less, have less rights and are more easily subjected to exploitation in the US than are men. So gender equality is just as much an IDEAL YET TO BE ACHIEVED in the US as it is other places int he world.

Like i said. Pakistan and Bangladesh ( Muslim countries ) have placed women as the top executive of the nation. Where is your Mrs. President?

Gender discrimination is a social phenomena which is very often backed up by religious reasons. Discrimination doesn't arise from conservative religion.. it is merely justified by it.

The simple fact is that in ALL muslim nations, women are fighting for and slowly gaining equal rights as women. Gender equality is more clearly stated in Islam than it is in any other abrahamic religion. In fact Islam is the ONLY abrahamic religion to afford women the right to property in its religious text. It is also the ONLY rleigion to afford the right to pursue careers and business.

This is an example set right at the beginning when Mohammad married an arabic trade woman named Khadija. Later on another of his wives even led men into battle.

The fact that women have subsequently been suppressed is a function of culture, rather than religion.
Well i don't know many that proudly try to sound ignorant.. but please.. be my guest.
Absolutely NOT. Just like US agggression and killing does not fix anything. Two wrongs never make a right, and i have no idea how you inferred that from my comment. My point was merely that terrorism is a function of social pressures. It is NOT a function of Islam. If it were, there would be no non-muslim terrorists. But there are.
Hmm .. no doubt. But limited as you are, you fail to understand that these people do NOT describe their actions as "evil". that means that something in their heads, in their hearts, in their lives, in their social circumstances, in their political status, in their desperation causes them to believe that they are doing a "good" thing.

If you stop your analysis of the reasons at "they are EVIL". well then you are not really analysing anything. You pass judgement and let it be at that. Well that may make you feel all good and fuzzy inside, but it does not for one second actually do anything to FIX anything.

Terrorism is an evil act. But why do people think that something evil is "good"?? This is a more complex question to answer and one that requires broader thought than "they are EVIL".
What are you teaching your students? Are you teaching them how to ANALYSE, or are you teaching them that XYZ is EVIL? I shudder to think that you may ceate more bigots in this already fragmented world.
OoOoOoOooo. Me so scaaaarred. Cuz big ole US policewoman will come arrest me. Seriously man, sometimes you americans can sound like a bunch of western vigilantes.
Absolutely NOT. As i said earlier, i do not consider a stranger on a debate forum important enough to lie to. It makes no difference to me whether you are convinced. It is only my job to relay the TRUTH as i see it. In any case i suggest you look up ANY SOURCE you wish to verify these numbers.

It is a FACT that for every Israeli, AT LEAST 15 palestinians die. And among them there are ALWAYS women and children.
Satan.. HUBRIS is thy name. you are no different from the extremist mullahs who talk the same talk as that. At least i am willing to accept that truth lies in the middle. However if you are already so convinced that you are God's chosen, then i'm afraid the difference between you and the fundo mullahs is just a beard and your stated religious affiliation.
What exactly is your work ? Other than destroying infrastructures and economies and then lining your pockets in the "re-building efforts"? Or how about re-installing discriminatory fundamentalist dictators like in Kuwait. Or perhaps striking deals with Afghan war-lords?

However you are right. the US is now famous for it's ability to come crashing in, wreck the country and get out. Off the top of my head i can name Vietnam, Nicaragua, Iraq ( first time round), Afghanistan( first time round ) and it seems that the same cut-and-run policy will be applied to Iraq 2.0 and afghanistan 2.0.

So yeah.. i suppose these nations should be eternally grateful for your ability to skip out and leave the local populations to deal with the catastrophe left you left behind. Might i add that such actons led directly to :
1) Massacre of Shias in Iraq by Saddam - AFTER ASSURANCES BY BUSH Sr. that the US would support them ( which might be a reason they don't like you)
2) Coming to power of the Taliban ( you know, the Mujahedin whose training your government paid for)
3) Massive purges of South Vietnamese by the VC and subsequent human rights abuses ( After your ambassador escaped leaving his South Vietnamese supporters behind to deal with the consequences)

YEah so you do get out of Dodge. And the people of Dodge thank you for destroying their town.
dear friend i have no pretences of being any smarter than you. I DO however believe that you are a bigot who bases his opinions on roughly the same matrix of intolerance, arrogant self-righteousness, and aggression as the best of the fundo mullahs do.

So while you proudly pretend ignorance ( calling persians arabs IS ignorant) you are in fact no different from the bearded idiots you wish to annihilate. I can only hope that your students see through your bigotry and deal with this situation with tolerance, understanding and objectivity. Only in THIS way will there ever be a solution to the threat of terrorism to ALL OUR LIVES.