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Old 09-04-2007, 09:21 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I don't think that it is wrong.

I DO think that any initial meeting should REQUIRE the the recruiters set up with the child AND the parent(s).
Old 09-04-2007, 01:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Wait a minute. You know, I've read the PATRIOT Act from start to finish. People keep telling me that we lost important rights to the PATRIOT Act, but can't point to even a single right they have lost. As far as high schools providing the phone numbers of graduating seniors, I've never even seen a hint of such a provision. I'm not saying you are wrong, perhaps I missed that part. So could you direct me to the appropriate section of the PATRIOT Act? I'll even help you out. The full text of the PATRIOT Act, as approved by Congress can be found here:
EFF: USA PATRIOT Act

Now, I don't know what the big deal is here. I graduated from high school in 1977. Even then, recruiters had the names and numbers of graduating seniors, and most, if not all of us, got those phone calls.

How hard is it for a kid to say "Not interested, please don't call me anymore."? In the end, its just a phone call. No different than any other phone solicitation.
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High schools provide info to the recruiters and pretty much anyone else, unless the parents opt out.

Here's the code with regard to the military. This is from the registration forms that we have to fill out each year. I suspect they used OCR when scanning the forms and some words don't make sense. What is "izenerally" anyway? I think it is supposed to be "generally." Anyhow, this was provided by my children's school district. My kids are in elementary school, but I still opt out of all dissemination of my children's info. I know the Patriot Act was under discussion, but I'm just throwing this in.

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USC § 7908
: Requires each school district receivinia assistance under the NCLB to provide military recruiters the same access to
secondary school pupils as is provided izenerally to post secondary educational institutions or to prospective employers. A pupil or parent
may request that the pupil's name, address, and telephone listing not be released without prior written parental consent, and the district

shall notify parents of the option to make a request and shall comply with any request.
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Old 09-04-2007, 03:20 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Just curious - we know that it's mandatory for 18year olds to register. Now, if the schools don't provide the information, is there any way for the government to verify compliance? These kids (probably) can't be traced yet through social security cards. Other than drivers' licences, is there any way for the government to check on kids?
I remember that financial aid for college required me to be signed up for selective service. I was not a citizen, but still had to sign up for it. I also remember a recruiter came to my high school to talk to us. I was not interested in them, and they were not interested in me since they do not make uniforms small enough for me.
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I don't think that it is wrong.

I DO think that any initial meeting should REQUIRE the the recruiters set up with the child AND the parent(s).
Just out of curiosity: Most HS seniors are 18 years old. Age of majority and all that. Should they still be required to have parents present at the meeting, or are they allowed to make their own decisions?
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Just out of curiosity: Most HS seniors are 18 years old. Age of majority and all that. Should they still be required to have parents present at the meeting, or are they allowed to make their own decisions?
FYI, they started calling my sons when they were juniors, only 16 and 17.
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FYI, they started calling my sons when they were juniors, only 16 and 17.
I graduated from HS when I was 19.
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FYI, they started calling my sons when they were juniors, only 16 and 17.

I started getting calls as a 16-year-old junior also. And I didn't turn 18 until 3 months after high school graduation. I think that probably 25% of my class was still 17 at graduation.
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Military recruiters want dumb high school students - and the dumber the better. If the Congress does not reinstate the draft for compulsory military service so that President Bush has enough warm bodies for use as cannon fodder for his foreign wars, then the Pentagon will just resort to press gangs to meet their quotas. An administration that is not adverse to violation of a citizen’s constitutional rights for the sake of national defense, would likely find sufficient justification for such action.
Press gangs? oh MY! do you really think it would come to that? perhaps I am not as pessimistic as you. I see our young people wishing to do their duty until it becomes evident that the war is no longer about anything *noble*.
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Military recruiters want dumb high school students - and the dumber the better. If the Congress does not reinstate the draft for compulsory military service so that President Bush has enough warm bodies for use as cannon fodder for his foreign wars, then the Pentagon will just resort to press gangs to meet their quotas. An administration that is not adverse to violation of a citizen’s constitutional rights for the sake of national defense, would likely find sufficient justification for such action.
Geez, would they get a better education there than in high school? Granted, the military must be stretched thin with the men and women serving in the Middle East.
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