Defending the Truth
Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Debate Politics > Militaries and War

Militaries and War Debate and discuss global militaries, past and present wars including the war on terror.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 01-24-2006, 08:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
Senator
 
foundit66's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 5,836
Points: 18,394, Level: 86
Points: 18,394, Level: 86 Points: 18,394, Level: 86 Points: 18,394, Level: 86
Level up: 9%, 456 Points needed
Level up: 9% Level up: 9% Level up: 9%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
foundit66 is offline
Reply With Quote
Study: Army Stretched to Breaking Point
WASHINGTON - Stretched by frequent troop rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan, the Army has become a "thin green line" that could snap unless relief comes soon, according to a study for the Pentagon.

Andrew Krepinevich, a retired Army officer who wrote the report under a Pentagon contract, concluded that the Army cannot sustain the pace of troop deployments to Iraq long enough to break the back of the insurgency. He also suggested that the Pentagon's decision, announced in December, to begin reducing the force in Iraq this year was driven in part by a realization that the Army was overextended.

As evidence, Krepinevich points to the Army's 2005 recruiting slump — missing its recruiting goal for the first time since 1999 — and its decision to offer much bigger enlistment bonuses and other incentives.

"You really begin to wonder just how much stress and strain there is on the Army, how much longer it can continue," he said in an interview. He added that the Army is still a highly effective fighting force and is implementing a plan that will expand the number of combat brigades available for rotations to Iraq and Afghanistan.

The 136-page report represents a more sobering picture of the Army's condition than military officials offer in public. While not released publicly, a copy of the report was provided in response to an Associated Press inquiry.

Illustrating his level of concern about strain on the Army, Krepinevich titled one of his report's chapters, "The Thin Green Line."

He wrote that the Army is "in a race against time" to adjust to the demands of war "or risk `breaking' the force in the form of a catastrophic decline" in recruitment and re-enlistment.

Col. Lewis Boone, spokesman for Army Forces Command, which is responsible for providing troops to war commanders, said it would be "a very extreme characterization" to call the Army broken. He said his organization has been able to fulfill every request for troops that it has received from field commanders.

The Krepinevich assessment is the latest in the debate over whether the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan have worn out the Army, how the strains can be eased and whether the U.S. military is too burdened to defeat other threats.

Rep. John Murtha (news, bio, voting record), the Pennsylvania Democrat and Vietnam veteran, created a political storm last fall when he called for an early exit from Iraq, arguing that the Army was "broken, worn out" and fueling the insurgency by its mere presence. Administration officials have hotly contested that view.

George Joulwan, a retired four-star Army general and former NATO commander, agrees the Army is stretched thin.

"Whether they're broken or not, I think I would say if we don't change the way we're doing business, they're in danger of being fractured and broken, and I would agree with that," Joulwan told CNN last month.

Krepinevich did not conclude that U.S. forces should quit Iraq now, but said it may be possible to reduce troop levels below 100,000 by the end of the year. There now are about 136,000, Pentagon officials said Tuesday.

For an Army of about 500,000 soldiers — not counting the thousands of National Guard and Reserve soldiers now on active duty — the commitment of 100,000 or so to Iraq might not seem an excessive burden. But because the war has lasted longer than expected, the Army has had to regularly rotate fresh units in while maintaining its normal training efforts and reorganizing the force from top to bottom.

Krepinevich's analysis, while consistent with the conclusions of some outside the Bush administration, is in stark contrast with the public statements of Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and senior Army officials.

Army Secretary Francis Harvey, for example, opened a Pentagon news conference last week by denying the Army was in trouble. "Today's Army is the most capable, best-trained, best-equipped and most experienced force our nation has fielded in well over a decade," he said, adding that recruiting has picked up.

Rumsfeld has argued that the experience of fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan has made the Army stronger, not weaker.

"The Army is probably as strong and capable as it ever has been in the history of this country," he said in an appearance at the Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies in Washington on Dec. 5. "They are more experienced, more capable, better equipped than ever before."

Krepinevich said in the interview that he understands why Pentagon officials do not state publicly that they are being forced to reduce troop levels in Iraq because of stress on the Army. "That gives too much encouragement to the enemy," he said, even if a number of signs, such as a recruiting slump, point in that direction.

Krepinevich is executive director of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a nonprofit policy research institute.

He said he concluded that even Army leaders are not sure how much longer they can keep up the unusually high pace of combat tours in Iraq before they trigger an institutional crisis. Some major Army divisions are serving their second yearlong tours in Iraq, and some smaller units have served three times.

Michael O'Hanlon, a military expert at the private Brookings Institution, said in a recent interview that "it's a judgment call" whether the risk of breaking the Army is great enough to warrant expanding its size.

"I say yes. But it's a judgment call, because so far the Army isn't broken," O'Hanlon said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060124/...breaking_point
Sponsored Links
Old 01-26-2006, 02:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
other effects?
I think one of the big questions here is: Does the ever changing reasons and rationalizations for us being in Iraq have an influence on our guys decision's to go on another tour? I think the deeper the bull gets the worse this situation may become.
I totally believe in our guys on the ground and I think most of them are in this because they believed in the threat to our country. The few I am privileged enough to know are starting to have doubts.
I think this will soon also have a negative effect on this situation and the number of reserve second and third tourers.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Old 01-29-2006, 12:32 AM   #3 (permalink)
Head of Security
Moderator
 
tadpole256's Avatar
Join Date: May 2005
Location: The Cradle of Liberty
Gender: Male
Posts: 10,352
Country:
Points: 54,633, Level: 100
Points: 54,633, Level: 100 Points: 54,633, Level: 100 Points: 54,633, Level: 100
Level up: 0%, 0 Points needed
Level up: 0% Level up: 0% Level up: 0%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via AIM to tadpole256 Send a message via Yahoo to tadpole256 Send a message via Skype™ to tadpole256
tadpole256 is offline
Reply With Quote
 
The U.S. Army Special Operations Command has called upon several hundred sailors to join the ranks of the elite U.S. Army SOF community. I am one of the first 23 sailors to be a Army SOF Operater. I think that is a sure sign that things are getting stretched awful thin.

I don't know about you fellas, but I am off to fight the war in Afghanistan. I hope to see you all again as soon as possible...
Fight the good fight, and die with the enemy's heart in your hand.

http://www.armysailor.com
http://www.tadpolenet.com/techblog
------------------------------------
Check out my latest addition to the blogosphere
Quixotic Journey





Old 01-29-2006, 08:11 AM   #4 (permalink)
Super Moderator
Moderator
 
tyreay's Avatar
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: RI
Gender: Male
Posts: 2,846
Country:
Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79 Points: 15,165, Level: 79
Level up: 63%, 185 Points needed
Level up: 63% Level up: 63% Level up: 63%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via Yahoo to tyreay
tyreay is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Try to stay safe there Tad. We'll miss your input. You'll be in our hearts, our minds and I'm sure, plenty of prayers. Peace.
Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville
Old 01-29-2006, 03:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
Citizen
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: San Antonio TX
Posts: 33
Points: 1,980, Level: 26
Points: 1,980, Level: 26 Points: 1,980, Level: 26 Points: 1,980, Level: 26
Level up: 80%, 20 Points needed
Level up: 80% Level up: 80% Level up: 80%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Send a message via AIM to Hydrok
Hydrok is offline
Reply With Quote
 
We have another squad of Security Forces going to afghanistan soon... maybe you'll run into each other...
\'I\'m a firm believer in Karma, it means I can do horrible things to people all day and never feel bad about it.\' - paraphrase from dogbert
Old 01-29-2006, 05:43 PM   #6 (permalink)
Moderator
Moderator
 
Nebraskaboy's Avatar
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 1,612
Points: 7,425, Level: 57
Points: 7,425, Level: 57 Points: 7,425, Level: 57 Points: 7,425, Level: 57
Level up: 38%, 125 Points needed
Level up: 38% Level up: 38% Level up: 38%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
Nebraskaboy is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tadpole256
The U.S. Army Special Operations Command has called upon several hundred sailors to join the ranks of the elite U.S. Army SOF community. I am one of the first 23 sailors to be a Army SOF Operater. I think that is a sure sign that things are getting stretched awful thin.

I don't know about you fellas, but I am off to fight the war in Afghanistan. I hope to see you all again as soon as possible...
You better stay safe buddy. I'll be looking forward to hearing from you wheny ou come back safely.
Godbless, Tadpole.

“I am a Republican. I\'m loyal to the party of Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt. And I believe that my party, in some ways, has strayed from those principles, particularly on the issue of fiscal discipline.”

-John McCain

"Senator, when you took your oath of office, you placed your hand on the Bible and swore to uphold the Constitution.
You did not place your hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible."

-Jamie Raskin
Old 01-29-2006, 06:32 PM   #7 (permalink)
Website Owner
Administrator
 
RidinHighSpeeds's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Taxachusetts
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,504
Country:
Thanks: 12
Thanked 70 Times in 62 Posts
Send a message via AIM to RidinHighSpeeds
RidinHighSpeeds is offline
Reply With Quote
 
Godspeed tadpole!
Old 01-29-2006, 07:52 PM   #8 (permalink)
Beer Man
Administrator
 
onthefence's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: stuck in the middle
Posts: 3,410
Country:
Thanks: 99
Thanked 271 Times in 156 Posts
onthefence is offline
Reply With Quote
 
we will be needing to share a beer (or two....to start) I want to hear the war stories in person

fair winds and following seas for your journey..... keep yout head down and watch your ass once you get there.

don't forget there are on atheists in fox holes, God bless and God speed

of course I (we) expect updates as often as you can and of course what you can share and still maintain OPSEC
"We could not now take time for further search or consideration, our victuals being much spent, especially our beer." - William Bradford



Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right.....

Now offering premium membership for only $25.00!! Click here to get started.!
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:24 PM.


 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites