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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
Being a highschool dropout is not a strike against you. You just have to be able to get your GED.

And yes, they (the Army) are desperate.
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
Being a highschool dropout is not a strike against you. You just have to be able to get your GED.

And yes, they (the Army) are desperate.
The person in question did not have GED. They are desperate and corrupt.
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
Being a highschool dropout is not a strike against you. You just have to be able to get your GED.

And yes, they (the Army) are desperate.
The person in question did not have GED. They are desperate and corrupt.
Not all corrupt. C'mon now. Now you are throwing around unwarranted adjectives. Most recruiters would have done what they teach us to do, help the person get a GED. It doesn't take long. I can get a smart kid his GED in a month or two.
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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
Being a highschool dropout is not a strike against you. You just have to be able to get your GED.

And yes, they (the Army) are desperate.
The person in question did not have GED. They are desperate and corrupt.
Not all corrupt. C'mon now. Now you are throwing around unwarranted adjectives. Most recruiters would have done what they teach us to do, help the person get a GED. It doesn't take long. I can get a smart kid his GED in a month or two.
So this is just the exception to the rule? I doubt it. nothing under the Bush rule has been moral or justifed.
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Bash Bush, Bash Bush, Bash Bush, is that all you can do???? I mean come on, at least us conservatives are out here trying. We have new ideas, although based off of old principles. Liberals are all the same, call conservatives dirty names and tax the people even more. And you guys wonder why when you look at the map all you see is red??

2.54 million square miles of counties as compared to 594,000 square miles. Grow up, and come up with something new. Complaining, whining and call us names hasn't worked......

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As a graduate of Navy Recruiting , please let me be the first to say that this recruiter is by far and away the exception to the rule, at least with the phony diploma thing. We, as recruiters, will target some of the brighter high school drop outs, who have potential. But we do not forge diplomas, we help them study and provide them with guides to get thier GEDs.

As far a beating a drug test goes, yes most any recruiter will help you do what you can to get drugs out of your system. But I do not see anything wrong with this. You explain to the recruit that the military has a zero tolerance policy on drug use, and that if they are caught once they are in they will be discharged in an other than honorable status. But helping them get clean, so that they can turn over a new leaf and begin thier new life of service to country, in my mind is very honorable. In amany cases you are helping this kid get off the street, out of the ghetto, and on to a better life. I see no wrong in that. It's not cheating the urinalysis, because quite simply, that's impossible. What it is, is helping someone to clean up thier act.
What it is... is helping someone scam a test to help dropping recruitment rates. The military is desperate.
No no, the ARMY is desperate. The Navy is downsizing and the Marines are very selective. The Army is trying to grow a lot, real quick.

I still don't think it's scaming the test, it's preparing for it. There is no way to scam a military urinalysis. I am a Navy urinalysis coordinator, our tests are as close to fool proof as possible.
Then why was a recruiter helping someone pass a test who was an admitted marijuana abuser. It doesn't add up tadpole.
To help him get in. The resruiter wasn't telling him it's okay to smoke once he's in. But the recruiter also isn't going to let someone's minor past mistakes hold them back either.

It doesn't seem fair to hold someone back because they experimented with weed. I assure you I have never heard of an instance of this happening with hard drugs, or anything morally objectionable.

An admitted high school drop out and marijuana user. Two strikes against him joining the military.

THEY ARE DESPERATE!
Being a highschool dropout is not a strike against you. You just have to be able to get your GED.

And yes, they (the Army) are desperate.
The person in question did not have GED. They are desperate and corrupt.
Not all corrupt. C'mon now. Now you are throwing around unwarranted adjectives. Most recruiters would have done what they teach us to do, help the person get a GED. It doesn't take long. I can get a smart kid his GED in a month or two.
So this is just the exception to the rule? I doubt it. nothing under the Bush rule has been moral or justifed.
Are you seriously trying to indicate that the way recruiter do their jobs has anything to do with the President in Office?

Do you honestly think that the president issued an order demanding that Army recruiters help potheads cheat the piss quiz? C'mon now. This is the most ridiculous thing I've seen you post.
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2.54 million square miles of counties as compared to 594,000 square miles. Grow up, and come up with something new. Complaining, whining and call us names hasn't worked......

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Probably the most worthless and off topic post I've ever seen.

Also, tadpole and hevusa.....is it really necessary to quote each other every time you post? Unwarranted scrolling...

This story shocks me and at the same time I'm not really surprised. I don't doubt the Army is desperate. I have to agree with tadpole in that I don't see anything wrong with getting a high school kid off drugs if he wants to join the Army and serve his country. I don't really see anything wrong with that. If he enters the Army and then starts his habit again, then he will most likely be caught at some point and discharged, like tadpole said. Even then though, the forging of a high school diploma is pretty terrible...
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