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View Poll Results: Should we bomb Iran or allow Iran to develop a bomb?
Bomb Iran 1 8.33%
Let them develop weapons freely 1 8.33%
Diplomacy must be tried, and must fail before we can bomb 8 66.67%
Diplomacy is the only option. 2 16.67%
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Old 07-20-2008, 12:42 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Grace, I hope you are not offended when I say that I really hope you are wrong on this one.
Yeah, we never nuked Germany after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor!
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:09 PM   #72 (permalink)
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The concept that the US should be the final determinant of who should or should not have a nuclear arsenal is disingenuous and flawed thinking. After all, we have developed "low yield" nukes to bomb the Taliban out of mountain enclaves, yet we feel compelled to tell the world who should be able develop these weapons or not - it's a shameful contradiction. And the USA is the only nation that has resorted to nuclear tactics, ever other member of the nuclear family has declined to use them offensively of defensively. While the idea of a nuclearized Iran is scary, the same was felt about Pakistan and India. Should we elect to attack Iran we'll only develop more hostility towards us in the Middle East, loose more American lives for murky goals (that Iranian oil is the world benchmark for quality) and loose even more goodwill among the world community. And forget about the price of gasoline, it'll go to 10 bucks a gallon.
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Old 07-20-2008, 04:12 PM   #73 (permalink)
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I don't thin Israel will go nuclear, they don't need to. But why would every nation turn it's back on them? They didn't when we bombed Japan. And as long as they have our support, no one would dare do anything to them.
There was no Israel when we bombed Japan.
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There was no Israel when we bombed Japan.
I'm glad to see you know your history but what does that have to do with the point you quoted?
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Old 07-21-2008, 05:51 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Not at all.

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Old 07-21-2008, 06:11 AM   #76 (permalink)
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The concept that the US should be the final determinant of who should or should not have a nuclear arsenal is disingenuous and flawed thinking. After all, we have developed "low yield" nukes to bomb the Taliban out of mountain enclaves, yet we feel compelled to tell the world who should be able develop these weapons or not - it's a shameful contradiction.
The US isnt the finnal determination of who should have nukes. The world body is. And they have clear laws regarding such matters. It seems the US is nearly the only one willing to enforce those laws, and that is the shame. If the world body stood united on these matters (as they first set out to do) Iran wouldnt even think about making nuclear weapons. If the US were the finnal determination, Iran would already be a parking lot. But to think that we dont have key interest in who does, and doesnt have nuclear weapons is crazy. Especialy regarding countries with terrorist ties. Terrorist who have already shown they have no problem attacking American troops abroad unprovoked, and who claim the "great Satan" will soon be destroyed.
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And the USA is the only nation that has resorted to nuclear tactics, ever other member of the nuclear family has declined to use them offensively of defensively. While the idea of a nuclearized Iran is scary, the same was felt about Pakistan and India. Should we elect to attack Iran we'll only develop more hostility towards us in the Middle East, loose more American lives for murky goals (that Iranian oil is the world benchmark for quality) and loose even more goodwill among the world community. And forget about the price of gasoline, it'll go to 10 bucks a gallon.
That still wont be as bad as a nuclear Iran.
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I think people put too much weight on nuclear bombing as it relates to Japan in WWII. The WWII nukes were really quite small and did little damage in comparison to the fear of the shock and awe they caused. Of course nukes are much larger now but the WWII nukes did little more than the incendiary bombs used in Germany by US and British and in Japan leading up to the use of nukes. The fire bombs destroyed several entire cities just as the nukes did in Japan.

I think a tactical nuke to open up a deep chamber in Iran may be just the item to follow a couple bunker buster, mother of all bombs... open up the urban target with a mohab and then drop a tactical nuke in the crater and no more nuke lab.
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