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Old 07-10-2008, 08:21 PM   #91 (permalink)
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personally, I don't know why the most powerful armed services on earth can't provide private shower and toilet facilities for the servicemen. They don't have to be spas - just simple partitions between people.
In the wilds of the Hindu Kush? Or in a submarine under the Arctic?

Your HGTV view on life is completely unrealistic.

Besides, even if they built partitions the gay guys would make glory holes in the first few days.
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Old 07-10-2008, 08:30 PM   #93 (permalink)
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In the wilds of the Hindu Kush? Or in a submarine under the Arctic?

Your HGTV view on life is completely unrealistic.

Besides, even if they built partitions the gay guys would make glory holes in the first few days.
Harsh...Very harsh...But absolutely hilarious.

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Actually that has a ring of truth to it though. Cause you know if they did the same for the genders, some dude would waste little time finding a way to peep.
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Old 07-10-2008, 10:53 PM   #94 (permalink)
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Sexual orientation and race are not synonyms. But yes I am thinking of all separate showers instead of the community showers that the military has in some circumstances. If we do it for gender, doing it for sexual orientation seems just as necessary.
You might not mind a bunch of guys ogling you in the shower, but most women would object. Just as some if not most men don't want a known gay man looking at them. What we don't know won't hurt you, but just like cheating, once you know, it just fucks everything up.
I disagree. A black person didn't decide to be black. A gay person didn't decide to be gay. Both racial minorities and homosexuals/bisexuals have gone through discrimination. Seems like the same situation to me. I just find it a bit absurd to ever think there needs to be a "Homosexual Male Shower Room", "Heterosexual Male Shower Room", "Bisexual Female Shower Room", "Homosexual Female Shower Room", and so on. To me, that's invasion of privacy. My sexuality isn't anyone's business unless I make it their business. The thought of having your sexuality labeled by what shower you go into is just a bit crazy to me.

You're right, I don't mind guys ogling me in the shower. Call me a hippie but I find nothing wrong with being naked or embracing your natural form. I understand not everyone is like that nor do I know enough about community showers and how often they are very open and have no privacy. To me, what I am picturing is like a community shower in the dorms on campus. A big room filled with shower stalls that men and women can use. I could be wrong but in that case, there isn't really a lot of naked ogling. If college kids can handle it, why can't soldiers?

It seems that you think that any gay man that is looking at you is ogling you, finding you attractive. I don't have a clue what you look like and hey! maybe you are some hot guy that a bunch of gay guys have ogled but just as you're not lusting after every girl you see, they aren't lusting after every guy they see.

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I disagree. A black person didn't decide to be black. A gay person didn't decide to be gay. Both racial minorities and homosexuals/bisexuals have gone through discrimination. Seems like the same situation to me. I just find it a bit absurd to ever think there needs to be a "Homosexual Male Shower Room", "Heterosexual Male Shower Room", "Bisexual Female Shower Room", "Homosexual Female Shower Room", and so on. To me, that's invasion of privacy. My sexuality isn't anyone's business unless I make it their business. The thought of having your sexuality labeled by what shower you go into is just a bit crazy to me.

You're right, I don't mind guys ogling me in the shower. Call me a hippie but I find nothing wrong with being naked or embracing your natural form. I understand not everyone is like that nor do I know enough about community showers and how often they are very open and have no privacy. To me, what I am picturing is like a community shower in the dorms on campus. A big room filled with shower stalls that men and women can use. I could be wrong but in that case, there isn't really a lot of naked ogling. If college kids can handle it, why can't soldiers?

It seems that you think that any gay man that is looking at you is ogling you, finding you attractive. I don't have a clue what you look like and hey! maybe you are some hot guy that a bunch of gay guys have ogled but just as you're not lusting after every girl you see, they aren't lusting after every guy they see.

I generally don't do one line replies...just a warning.
And a pedo didn't decide to be pedo, a midget didn't just decide to stop growing, a siamese twin didn't just get real chummy with his brother before birth either. Shyte happens sometimes. And gay is just another one of those shytes. All minorities aren't the same.

There is variation then there are mistakes. Black and the variations of color and race are all human variations. There in only one sexual orientation that "works" and has purpose in nature. But then you have a few f'd up individuals with a sexual orientation that has them attracted to animals, kids, and their own gender. Synonomous with race? My ass.

The fact that you say "call me a hippie" lets me know that you know that that behavior is a bit "off the beaten path" so to speak.

I don't lust after every woman I see. But then again, I do like to see women naked. Almost any woman that's not too fat, a little fat is okay. Attraction doesn't make me want to see a woman naked, the fact that she is a woman does. Again, just as most women wouldn't want men in their shower, for whatever reason you don't seem to understand, most heterosexual men would rather not shower with a known gay guy. Especially a gay guy who they don't know.

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If I change it to Timbuctu will you believe that?
No, but the good people of Los Angeles will be relieved to know you are not there any more if it is true.

Your link is bullshit, much like everything else you post.
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No, but the good people of Los Angeles will be relieved to know you are not there any more if it is true.

Just kidding, I'm still in LA



Your link is bullshit, much like everything else you post.

Let me guess, the woman in the link I gave who has been cured of homosexuality, is a hateful, homophobic bigot in your eyes??
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Let me guess, the woman in the link I gave who has been cured of homosexuality, is a hateful, homophobic bigot in your eyes??
Homosexuality can't be cured, it can be suppressed, but eventually it will come out-- just ask Reverend Ted Haggard.

Show me a person who successfully switches, and I will show you a bisexual.
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Homosexuality can't be cured, it can be suppressed, but eventually it will come out-- just ask Reverend Ted Haggard.
Very true. Homosexuality isn't an illness so there's no need to "cure" anything. Homosexuality is just another sexual orientation and is perfectly normal.

Also, "conversion therapy" not only doesn't work - it's been deemed as downright dangerous by mental health professionals.

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And a pedo didn't decide to be pedo, a midget didn't just decide to stop growing, a siamese twin didn't just get real chummy with his brother before birth either. Shyte happens sometimes. And gay is just another one of those shytes. All minorities aren't the same.

There is variation then there are mistakes. Black and the variations of color and race are all human variations. There in only one sexual orientation that "works" and has purpose in nature. But then you have a few f'd up individuals with a sexual orientation that has them attracted to animals, kids, and their own gender. Synonomous with race? My ass.

The fact that you say "call me a hippie" lets me know that you know that that behavior is a bit "off the beaten path" so to speak.

I don't lust after every woman I see. But then again, I do like to see women naked. Almost any woman that's not too fat, a little fat is okay. Attraction doesn't make me want to see a woman naked, the fact that she is a woman does. Again, just as most women wouldn't want men in their shower, for whatever reason you don't seem to understand, most heterosexual men would rather not shower with a known gay guy. Especially a gay guy who they don't know.

Long posts are fine by me.
You're right, a pedo didn't decide to be a pedo. But they decided to act on it, knowing good and well that it is wrong. Being a pedo harms other people. Being gay, doesn't. Being a midget and a siamese twin can cause health problems. Being gay...can't. There is a huge difference between beastility, pedophilia, and homosexuality. The first two are harmful and with people/animals that are generally not consenting. The second is not harmful with people that are consenting (unless it's rape which happens in heterosexuality as well). I don't believe that it is everyone's purpose in life to reproduce nor do I feel like everyone needs to reproduce. So, that's my touch on the "only natural way or life" kind of debate. I believe that God made each person a different way for different reasons. He didn't put us all here to make us all do the same thing in life. (Sorry to bring religion into this, if you're not religious, just ignore this)

I do know I am "off the beaten path" with my lifestyle. I never understood why people find the natural state of a human being to be disgusting or inapproripriate. But I do know that I am in the minority about being comfortable with my (not even close to perfect) naked body. Just because I am in the minority doesn't make my opinion wrong or inferior. Just because I see no problem in showering and being naked around other people doesn't mean I don't understand why people do have a problem with it. I'm not naive to that, I understand. I just find it a bit crazy is all. Generally, if you don't know the guy, you don't know for a fact that he is gay...
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