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Old 07-08-2008, 11:14 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Whatever the reason, it is there. And the same individual mechanism applies between sexual orientations. I want any gay man looking at me as much as I would like the fat ugly WM to look at me. I don't give a damn whether he wants me or not. I 100% don't want him.
Why does it matter who looks at you? If someone wants to look at me, whether it be a gay woman, straight man, transsexual, whoever and finds me attractive, great! Confidence booster! Just because I may not be attracted to that person doesn't mean there is a problem if they find me attractive. No harm done to me.

To me it's just like when I was young and my brother would stare at me and I'd yell at my mom to tell him to stop looking at me. It's petty.
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:16 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Why does it matter who looks at you? If someone wants to look at me, whether it be a gay woman, straight man, transsexual, whoever and finds me attractive, great! Confidence booster! Just because I may not be attracted to that person doesn't mean there is a problem if they find me attractive. No harm done to me.
And if you want to be an exhibitionist to people that may or may not find you attractive, that's fine and dandy. Personally it took me a minute to get used to open showers on my first week of boot camp and that was with people that we all assumed were straight. I don't need external affirmation of how I look, I spent many years as a skinny happy nerd, I'm not a vain person. But I also know from my years of clubbing that I'm not ugly to gay men. Which IS cool, when I'm clothed.

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To me it's just like when I was young and my brother would stare at me and I'd yell at my mom to tell him to stop looking at me. It's petty.
Well tell that to the Marine Corps. Cause they spend a shitload of money building separate billeting quarters for WM's for what you deem pettiness.
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Back then it was just "Don't tell".

"Don't ask" came later. That's progress.
He was a damn good petty officer. The captain had no choice but to kick him out; however, he did receive an honorable discharge.
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He was a damn good petty officer. The captain had no choice but to kick him out; however, he did receive an honorable discharge.
Was there a double entendre in there somewhere??
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And if you want to be an exhibitionist to people that may or may not find you attractive, that's fine and dandy. Personally it took me a minute to get used to open showers on my first week of boot camp and that was with people that we all assumed were straight. I don't need external affirmation of how I look, I spent many years as a skinny happy nerd, I'm not a vain person. But I also know from my years of clubbing that I'm not ugly to gay men. Which IS cool, when I'm clothed.


Well tell that to the Marine Corps. Cause they spend a shitload of money building separate billeting quarters for WM's for what you deem pettiness.
I'm not an exhibitionist. If I were, I'd be flaunting myself in front of everyone. I just don't care if people look at me. Why would it bother me for someone to look at me, even if I am naked (aka the natural state of every human). All I am saying that is if a lesbian girl wants to lust over me and find me attractive, that's fine. It's pretty obvious that I am straight so I am sure she'd know that she has no chance. Her looking at me does no harm to me.
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What considerations are there? If they are suspicions that men might look at women because they are attracted to them, what's the difference for gay men in a shower situation. Scientists say that gay men have female-ish brains. Makes sense that since gay men react to gay porn the same way the straight men react to women, there are grounds for the same separation the gender affords.

I disagree, but then again, I have no issues who looks at me in the shower. If I am showering as part of a unit, then the primary reason for being there is the unit, not for any individual gratification...most mature people would feel the same way.


Whatever the reason, it is there. And the same individual mechanism applies between sexual orientations. I want any gay man looking at me as much as I would like the fat ugly WM to look at me. I don't give a damn whether he wants me or not. I 100% don't want him.
Then you are the one with the problem, so maybe you should not volunteer to be in any situation where you may end up naked with someone who is gay or bisexual or fat (in the case of women).
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I disagree, but then again, I have no issues who looks at me in the shower.

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If I am showering as part of a unit, then the primary reason for being there is the unit, not for any individual gratification...most mature people would feel the same way.
Try walking into the women's shower at your local gym and using that ludicrous 'argument'!







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Then you are the one with the problem, so maybe you should not volunteer to be in any situation where you may end up naked with someone who is gay or bisexual or fat (in the case of women).
Actually it's the homosexuals who have a problem - with their defective sexual behaviours.

And it's up to members of the military whether they want to be forced to live in close quarters with people who struggle with that defect.
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I'm not an exhibitionist. If I were, I'd be flaunting myself in front of everyone. I just don't care if people look at me. Why would it bother me for someone to look at me, even if I am naked (aka the natural state of every human). All I am saying that is if a lesbian girl wants to lust over me and find me attractive, that's fine. It's pretty obvious that I am straight so I am sure she'd know that she has no chance. Her looking at me does no harm to me.
Good for you. I disagree. I'd rather not shower with a person who may or may not be attracted to me. Because I know as a man, I just like looking at nakedness. Period. And I don't give a damn what you guys say, you don't know the mindset of each individual person who will be in this situation. Gay men sharing showers is asking for just as much trouble as if you allow the genders to do it.
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I disagree, but then again, I have no issues who looks at me in the shower. If I am showering as part of a unit, then the primary reason for being there is the unit, not for any individual gratification...most mature people would feel the same way.
And yet the genders are separated. Seems most people are immature.

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Then you are the one with the problem, so maybe you should not volunteer to be in any situation where you may end up naked with someone who is gay or bisexual or fat (in the case of women).
Right. I agree. So they should allow all the men who can't handle that situation separate with honorable discharges and warn all perspective applicants about that possibility. It has never been assumed open homosexuality was a part of the armed forces. Perspective recruits should be told.
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"Evidence shows that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly is unlikely to pose any significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion," the officers states.
Evidence, schmevidence!

There are plenty of right wingers who have never served in the military who will tell you that the evidence is WRONG! And as proof, they will offer you Bible verses.

Clearly, DADT has to stay in place for the peace of mind of this key Republican voting block!
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