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Old 07-07-2008, 07:08 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Study: Military Gays Do Not Undermine Unit Cohesion
Study: Military Gays Do Not Undermine Unit Cohesion
by The Associated Press
Posted: July 7, 2008 - 5:00 pm ET
(Washington) Congress should repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" policy because the presence of gays in the military is unlikely to undermine the ability to fight and win, according to a new study released by a California-based research center.
The study was conducted by four retired military officers, including the three-star Air Force lieutenant general who in early 1993 was tasked with implementing President Clinton's policy that the military stop questioning recruits on their sexual orientation.
"Evidence shows that allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly is unlikely to pose any significant risk to morale, good order, discipline or cohesion," the officers states.
To support its contention, the panel points to the British and Israeli militaries, where it says gay people serve openly without hurting the effectiveness of combat operations.
Undermining unit cohesion was a determining factor when Congress passed the 1993 law, intended to keep the military from asking recruits their sexual orientation. In turn, service members can't say they are gay or bisexual, engage in homosexual activity or marry a member of the same sex.
The study was sponsored by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, which said it picked the panel members to portray a bipartisan representation of the different service branches. According to its Web site, the Palm Center "is committed to keeping researchers, journalists and the general public informed of the latest developments in the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy debate."
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Time to turn this around and do the right thing and let gay people serve openly in the military.
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Hey idiot, "Next time you have a thought...just let it go." -Ron White

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Old 07-07-2008, 08:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Are those forces all volunteer? And what changes did they make when they started allowing gays to serve openly? Additionally, out of all the military forces worldwide, what percentage actually allow openly gay vs. those that don't. And how many of those are conscripted vs. all volunteer?
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Are those forces all volunteer? And what changes did they make when they started allowing gays to serve openly? Additionally, out of all the military forces worldwide, what percentage actually allow openly gay vs. those that don't. And how many of those are conscripted vs. all volunteer?

Let me help you find that out.

Google

I am not here to answer your questions.
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Very nice. But I'm happy with DADT as it is and looking to justify changing it. Otherwise I don't need to use google. So those are the questions I'm asking any one who wants to change it. Just saying "look at them" is bullshit if you don't tell the whole story.

The story is the most important part.
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Very nice. But I'm happy with DADT as it is and looking to justify changing it. Otherwise I don't need to use google. So those are the questions I'm asking any one who wants to change it. Just saying "look at them" is bullshit if you don't tell the whole story.

The story is the most important part.
You seem to be the one that wants all the answers. If you want them answered, I suggest you research them. I posted a link to the story. If you are too lazy to click it and read the rest of the story, that is your issue.
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:22 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You seem to be the one that wants all the answers. If you want them answered, I suggest you research them. I posted a link to the story. If you are too lazy to click it and read the rest of the story, that is your issue.
Your link doesn't have the answers to the questions I posed.
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Your link doesn't have the answers to the questions I posed.

Then google them.

Google

Problem solved.
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Old 07-07-2008, 11:03 PM   #8 (permalink)
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No need. I'm really not the one that has to make the final decision. As a veteran, I know I would rather have not served with an openly gay person in many situations that were common in the Marine Corps.
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Study: Military Gays Do Not Undermine Unit Cohesion

The study was sponsored by the Michael D. Palm Center at the University of California at Santa Barbara, which said it picked the panel members to portray a bipartisan representation of the different service branches. According to its Web site, the Palm Center "is committed to keeping researchers, journalists and the general public informed of the latest developments in the 'don't ask, don't tell' policy debate."
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Welcome to the Michael D. Palm Center, a new research institute at the University of California, Santa Barbara. The Center is committed to sponsoring state-of-the-art research to enhance the quality of public dialogue about critical and controversial issues of the day. The Center's priority, the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Project, continues the work of the Center for the Study of Sexual Minorities in the Military.

Michael D. Palm, a staunch supporter of civil rights in the gay community, died of complications from AIDS in August 1998.


Looks like a biased, heterophobic outfit was doing this startling 'research' - no wonder they came up with the number they first thought of.

And no surprise 365Gay tries to pass this puff piece off as meaningful 'research'.
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Old 07-08-2008, 12:08 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm telling you, I'm gonna start posting the wacko "Baptist press" type crap pretty soon.

Oh yeah Gary, I'm catching you in Thanks. Better start a free healthcare thread right quick. that should be good for a few for you.
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