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Old 07-22-2008, 06:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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There is nothing logical about denying consenting adults in legal relationships equal rights, protections and benefits under the law...in spite of your misguided and illogical perception that fucking your dog or your kid is the same thing.
The fact that many people in the military also feel that homosexuality is equitable to fucking a dog, a fact supported that it shares a term in Websters, is why we should allow those that might be effected the most to decide. I glad you said the dog fucking not me.

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It was a military decision that basically stripped Americans of their constitutional rights out of paranoia.... please keep that word paranoia in the front of your mind for the answer to the next paragraph.
And it was rightfully made though considering we were fighting the Japanese. It was a prudent decision.

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So again, the military thinks it is OK to discriminate against a group of perfectly fine young men and women out of...yup....you guessed it...paranoia.
Gays have never served openly in the U.S.military. What you call paranoia I call maintaining discipline. The same thing that separates women and men billeting.
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This same thinking is what fired 7 Arabic and Korean translators from the military because homophobia trumps the needs of national security.
Not really. Discipline trumps that. Those people were simply replaced. No gay monopoly on learning other languages. It would have been no different if they had gotten killed, gotten sick, or simply completed their contract.
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Homosexuality is a part of human sexuality,

so is necrophilia


and once again, most of us who are not morons can distinguish between consenting adults in lawful and loving relationships, and fucking animals......too bad you are a moron who can't make that distinction.


Most of us who are not morons also realise that homosexuality is deviant sexual behaviour but it happens to be legal.

Eventually you may grasp this fact
Old 07-22-2008, 06:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The fact that many people in the military also feel that homosexuality is equitable to fucking a dog, a fact supported that it shares a term in Websters, is why we should allow those that might be effected the most to decide. I glad you said the dog fucking not me.

Many people think fucking a dog is the same thing as homosexuality? I think I will need some statistics to support that claim. I don't believe that many people anywhere let alone the military are that stupid. I could be wrong.

And it was rightfully made though considering we were fighting the Japanese. It was a prudent decision.

They were American Citizens. Are you some kind of fascist on top of being an ignorant homophobe?

Gays have never served openly in the U.S.military. What you call paranoia I call maintaining discipline. The same thing that separates women and men billeting.
Not really. Discipline trumps that. Those people were simply replaced. No gay monopoly on learning other languages. It would have been no different if they had gotten killed, gotten sick, or simply completed their contract.
In a time when the axis of evil was speaking Arabic and Korean, why would you fire anyone who spoke those languages? Oh right, because the military is homophobic and paranoid.

What crap.

Stay tuned, the end on the ban is coming along with gay marriage.

Deal with it.

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Most of us who are not morons also realise that homosexuality is deviant sexual behaviour but it happens to be legal.

Eventually you may grasp this fact
So now consenting adults in lawful and loving relationships is the same thing as fucking dead people?

...well, your wife might actually agree with that one.

Never mind.


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So now consenting adults in lawful and loving relationships is the same thing as fucking dead people?


They are both examples of deviant, sterile sexual behaviour that serve no purpose other than instant gratification.




...well, your wife might actually agree with that one.

tee hee hee

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Old 07-22-2008, 10:20 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Many people think fucking a dog is the same thing as homosexuality?
The acts share the term in the dictionary.
Anal or oral intercourse between human beings, or any sexual relations between a human being and an animal, the act of which may be punishable as a criminal offense.
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I think I will need some statistics to support that claim. I don't believe that many people anywhere let alone the military are that stupid. I could be wrong.
You could be.

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They were American Citizens. Are you some kind of fascist on top of being an ignorant homophobe?
Nope, just thinking that when you have a population small enough, and the Asians must have been back then, sometimes "rights" can be suspended to ensure national security. The military can overrule many aspects of life in a time of war. Rationing, curfews, martial law, etc. all are possible during the time of war.
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In a time when the axis of evil was speaking Arabic and Korean, why would you fire anyone who spoke those languages? Oh right, because the military is homophobic and paranoid.
Nope because the military found a reason to do so. I'm sure they would do the same if there were proof of fraternization or adultery as well. Both of which are punishable under the UCMJ. Gays have no monopoly on those jobs. Somebody else will just get promoted into those billets. No one soldier is that important, the military doesn't work like that.

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What crap.
Stay tuned, the end on the ban is coming along with gay marriage.
Deal with it.
I will. It's really no big deal. I just disagree with it. I got out of the military 18 years ago, Not my problem.
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It's funny.

When the topic is DADT, and surveys show that a large majority of Americans support repealing it, the anti-gay brigade says we shouldn't vote on it, but leave the decision to the people affected, the military.

But when the topic is gay marriage, and surveys show increasing but not (yet) a majority of support for it, the anti-gay brigade says we should vote on it, rather than leaving the decision to the people affected, the gay couples that want to marry.

The best part is, when this blatant hypocrisy is pointed out to them, rather than be mature and admit their anti-gay agenda, they sputter all sorts of silliness about how the two types of gay discrimination are completely different.

It would be hilarious if it weren't so very sad.
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No they don't sputter that.

The marriage and military are different.
A fine example of the sputtering I was talking about!

Thanks for the assist in making my point, fx.

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The military has rules procedures and requirements that don't apply to the civilian life. While marriage is a social custom
Actually, both are institutions. Both have "rules procedures and requirements that don't apply" to people who are not directly involved in the institution in question, respectively.

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Asking "the general public" about what to do with the military is ignorant
I disagree, but even if I did not, asking the general public to weigh in on what I call the woman I share my life with is equally ignorant, for precisely the same reasons.
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Old 07-23-2008, 02:52 PM   #18 (permalink)
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A fine example of the sputtering I was talking about!

Thanks for the assist in making my point, fx.
That wasn't your point.

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Actually, both are institutions. Both have "rules procedures and requirements that don't apply" to people who are not directly involved in the institution in question, respectively.
Yeah and people and horse are mammalian carbon based life forms. Yet there are differences. Same as with a marriage vs. the military are both "institutions".

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I disagree, but even if I did not, asking the general public to weigh in on what I call the woman I share my life with is equally ignorant, for precisely the same reasons.
A woman having a mental anomaly that makes her think that sharing her life with another woman is ignorant IMHO. Especially to call that "sharing" marriage is on the agenda.
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That wasn't your point.


Yeah and people and horse are mammalian carbon based life forms. Yet there are differences. Same as with a marriage vs. the military are both "institutions".


A woman having a mental anomaly that makes her think that sharing her life with another woman is ignorant IMHO. Especially to call that "sharing" marriage is on the agenda.
The fact of the matter is, Forester does share her life with another woman; and why the gender of her spouse should matter to you at all is beyond comprehension. The irony is that you think the general public should weigh in on her personal relationship based on the gender of her spouse---a fact that has no impact on the general public; but that the general public has no business weighing in on military decisions which affect us all.

I am really beginning to understand now why the DSM classifies HOMOPHOBIA as a mental illness; it is completely debilitating to the mind of the afflicted.







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Thanks, knowuryder, but I feel he's already done more to support my point than any of us could.

And since he included an "IMHO" in his last post, the closest thing I've ever seen to "Sorry, I'm wrong" from him, I was going to just let the matter drop.
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