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Old 08-08-2008, 11:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Russia starts illegal war
Russia is stealing land from Canada, illegally invades a country to start a war and Obama wants to destroy US nuclear weapons and destroy the US defense shield? Obama is a clueless pup lost in the woods!





FOXNews.com - Russian Army Moving Against Georgian Forces Controlling Capital of Breakaway Province South Ossetia - International News | News of the World | Middle East News | Europe News
Parts of Russia's 58th Army — including 150 tanks and armored vehicles — reportedly were moving Friday on the capital of South Ossetia after Georgian troops entered the city in an attempt to crush separatist forces seeking to control the breakaway province.
Kakha Lamaia, a member of Georgia's National Security Council, told Reuters the two countries are "very close" to war, if not already at war.
"If it's not war, then we are very close to it," Lamaia said. "The Russians have invaded Georgia and we are under attack."
President Bush and Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin reportedly were discussing the Georgia crisis after attending the opening of the Beijing Olympic games.
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Viktorovich Lavrov told Reuters that he is "receiving reports of ethnic cleansing in villages of South Ossetia."
Fighting escalated between Georgian and Russian forces escalated earlier in the day with Georgia claiming to have downed four Russian combat warplanes, and Russian planes bombing the Vaziani airbase outside the Georgian capital of Tblisi.
Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov said that 10 Russian peacekeepers were killed and another 30 wounded durring Georgian shelling of their barracks.
Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said that Moscow was receiving reports that villages in South Ossetia were being ethnically cleansed.
"We are receiving reports that a policy of ethnic cleansing was being conducted in villages in South Ossetia, the number of refugees is climbing, the panic is growing, people are trying to save their lives," he said during televised remarks in Moscow from Russia's Foreign Ministry.



Georgian troops launched their offensive to regain control over the South Ossetia.
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili accused Russia, which has close ties to the separatists, of bombing Georgian territory.
Saakashvili also said it was in the United States' interest to help his country.
But Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said the Georgian attack will draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.
Russia's Channel 1 television earlier showed a convoy of Russian tanks that it said had entered South Ossetia. The report said the convoy is expected to reach the provincial capital within a few hours.
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:03 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Wow (no pun intended) And to think, Russia didnt even feel the need to bring this before the world body. Hmmmm
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Wow (no pun intended) And to think, Russia didnt even feel the need to bring this before the world body. Hmmmm
Good point!
I bet we do not hear the media's drum beat to call it an illegal war and to get world approval.
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Good point!
I bet we do not hear the media's drum beat to call it an illegal war and to get world approval.

This might just give Bush the excuse he was looking for to bomb Iran.
Old 08-08-2008, 02:11 PM   #5 (permalink)
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This might just give Bush the excuse he was looking for to bomb Iran.
LOL
Israel will take care of that, we just sold them F-16s with enlarged fuel tanks to make the trip to Iran with minimal air refueling.
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Good point!
I bet we do not hear the media's drum beat to call it an illegal war and to get world approval.
Trust you to turn an armed conflict into some petty, throwaway, Limbaugh-esque party political point-scoring nonsense!

There's a difference between an aerial raid and an armed invasion and occupation with 250,000+ troops.

Israel bombed Syria in April, the US bombed Afghanistan in 1999, and Wiziristan just last week - I can't hear any media drum beat about that either.

Anyway people are far more interested in Paris Hilton than all that complicated foreign stuff.
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Has Russia seen enough wars in the last 300 years?
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalm 119:105
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Israel will take care of that, we just sold them F-16s with enlarged fuel tanks to make the trip to Iran with minimal air refueling.

How long ago was that?
Old 08-08-2008, 02:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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How long ago was that?
Over the last 6 years there have been at least two orders of F-16s sold to Israel.
The last one was this year.
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Trust you to turn an armed conflict into some petty, throwaway, Limbaugh-esque party political point-scoring nonsense!
Though he did make light of it, he is still right. No one is going to care that Russia just invaded a neighboring country.

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There's a difference between an aerial raid and an armed invasion and occupation with 250,000+ troops.
I agree, it isnt the same. But the principle is. This should have been brought to the world body before any action was taken.

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Israel bombed Syria in April,

Yea, but they bombed a nuclear project, that we all know was a huge concern for their national security. And we all know would have gone no where at the UN (see Iran). Alot was at stake.

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the US bombed Afghanistan in 1999, and Wiziristan just last week - I can't hear any media drum beat about that either.
1999 doesnt count, and I know that sounds like a cop out, but the world is a much different place than it was then. And as far as bombing members of AQ, that should come to no surprize to anyone. We have been saying all along that we will strike them anywhere.


Anyway people are far more interested in Paris Hilton than all that complicated foreign stuff.[/quote]
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