Defending the Truth

Sorry buddy, but this post is utterly and totally stupid.

PROVE to me that the mission of toppling the Saddam regime is "wrong". Prove it or shut it.

The "Mission" - as you and Hevusa have decided it was supposed to be - was NOT accomplished. But it is YOU that is wrong.

Is there peace in Iraq? No.
Has Saddam been removed from power? YES - and sorry to rain on your little ultra-liberal parade, but that was the "Mission Accomplished".

Bringing down Saddam was just a beneficial(?????) side effect of this war that was sold to the American public as a connection to 9/11 and WMD's.

No 9/11 = No Iraq War

ok if that mission was accomplished great, what's the mission now? and when do you think it will be accomplished?

Actually I didn't say the mission itself was wrong, I said that you were wrong about it being "accomplished". As far as me having to prove that it wasn't accomplished isn't a necessity seeing as it has already been "proven" (or rather accepted as fact by even the most hard-core Bush supporters), however I did. Obviously you weren't paying attention when I wrote that bit of information that much of pro-Saddam fighters were still at large in Iraq. There was still an enemy, and the fourth phase of combat operations still was not over. What we are arguing is that as far as they knew the combat operations were over because of their ignorant view that they wouldn't need to plan for "Phase IV" and they were just going to be openly greeted as liberators.

If I remember correctly, Bush claimed that the United States and its allies had prevailed, but last time I checked they still didn't have the rest of the country in control. Uh oh! Georgie made a boo boo! But of coarse if you had the reading and logic abilities of a 10 year old, you would know that already.

And again your cheap and imature little antics of Ad Hominem add little to the persuasiveness of your arguements. I've seen better arguements by children. "YOU are the one that is wrong!" Well, why? "Because you just ARE!" Have you any proof, any citations from credible sources? "What are you talking about? Anyone with a decent knowlege knows that I am RIGHT and you are WRONG!"

If facing realities on the battlefield for the good of military success means an "ultra-liberal parade" then I guess I am glad to take part in that. If turning a blind eye on everything that sounds bad to the president or how it is being handled is patriotic then I guess the definition of patriotism in this country has been seriously hijacked.

Martin van Creveld, one of the world's most foremost military historians, described the war as "the most foolish war since Emperor Augustus in 9 B.C sent his legions into Germany and lost them." Obviously he isn't alone. A poll of historians done by George Mason University showed that some 81% of historians said Bush was failing, and this was well back in 2004 when some of Bush's later big mistakes haven't happened yet. Fifty of them said Bush was the worst president in United States history. And even in the report of the results, it was reported that "at least eight of those who said it is a success were being sarcastic, since seven said Bush’s presidency is only the best since Clinton’s and one named Millard Fillmore."

And one who made the comparison with Nixon explicit wrote, “Indeed, Bush puts Nixon into a more favorable light. He has trashed the image and reputation of the United States throughout the world; he has offended many of our previously close allies; he has burdened future generations with incredible debt; he has created an unnecessary war to further his domestic political objectives; he has suborned the civil rights of our citizens; he has destroyed previous environmental efforts by government in favor of his coterie of exploiters; he has surrounded himself with a cabal ideological adventurers . . . .”

I seriously doubt they will accomplish their mission. You can win a war but this is not a war. Terror is not an enemy.

I think the war was won when Saddam was captured, and his regime was toppled.

I feel the troops there would beg to differ.

There are still American troops in Germany.

Does that mean that WWII is still raging?

I didn't mean based on their location.

I meant if you ask a soldier if they think the mission has been accomplished they would beg to differ based on personal experience and their fellow soldiers deaths that occur on a daily basis.

That's kind of funny - because the stories I've read, in our newspaper, about local soldiers returning - have overwhelmingly made it clear that our Mainstream Media is NOT telling us the truth about what's going on in Iraq. The soldiers that I've talked to personally have said that the MSM is NOT telling us the truth about what's going on in Iraq.

You're being lied to.

Why not take your own suggestion and listen to the soldiers?