3rd Anniversary of "Mission Accomplished"

Katczinsky · 05-09-2006, 05:04 PM

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I was making a point to Hevusa that we're NOT being told the whole truth about Iraq from our mainstream media.

The only truth that we're not being shown is the true effects of war. People think Al-Jazeera is bias against the U.S. invasion for showing dead bodies, and blown up houses. Please! If you're too ignorant to think that war is all syrupy-sweet and filled with poetry, drama, and kids throwing flowers and giving hugs and kisses to "the liberator" then you really need to get your facts, history, and reality straight.

The only thing the news shows is the point of view from miles away. They'll show artillery being fired off but never the innocent people that get shrapnel in them or get limbs blown off, they'll show planes dropping bombs but never the bombed out houses of innocents and the charred bodies of innocent children and adults alike, they'll show soldiers shooting off into a distance but never the sight that every soldier has to live with: human beings dying. They'll show singing or praising, but never the screaming, the horrid screaming.

True they do report the numbers of dead occasionally. But just that, numbers. They completely took the faces off of the poor innocents or soldiers that have to die for such an unjust war. It reminds me of Stalin how he says that the deaths of millions are just "statistics". Of coarse people are going to support a war when they dont encounter the true human effects it has. In war, the innocent always suffer.

Its just that the Al-Jazeera doesn't just show the pictures of explosions from far off, or sleek attractive planes or weapons unloading their ordinance...but they are there, they show what the true effect of war is. The US media however just shows the tactical stand point from above. The Al-Jazeera showing the human effects and the troubles they had to go through, while CNN and Fox News were happy to invite generals on the set to explain their tactics and how they are going to most efficiently kill human beings and destroy life. Sick, utterly sick.

Katczinsky · 05-09-2006, 05:12 PM

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I was making a point to Hevusa that we're NOT being told the whole truth about Iraq from our mainstream media.

Relating the Battle of the Buldge to the Iraq War is a historical comparison that I definetly have to disagree with, and I'm sure Dylan will be much ablidged to give his opinion on this. And by all means, your anology is completely wrong historically. Although soldiers would have rather had peace, they would rather be fighting Hitler and his troops in Europe than pulling out. Soldiers would run away from army hospitals just so they can join their men on the front lines. But what happens in Iraq? Suicide rate goes up, soldiers would rather come home, and even soldiers work up their own withdrawl plans. I'm not doubting the bravery or the patriotism of the soldiers in the Iraq war at all, I'm just saying that the war in Iraq is completely unjustified and is currently just making things a lot worse...and soldiers know this. Especially compared to the mission in Europe against Nazi Germany.

Jefferson · 05-09-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Relating the Battle of the Buldge to the Iraq War is a historical comparison that I definetly have to disagree with, and I'm sure Dylan will be much ablidged to give his opinion on this. And by all means, your anology is completely wrong historically. Although soldiers would have rather had peace, they would rather be fighting Hitler and his troops in Europe than pulling out. Soldiers would run away from army hospitals just so they can join their men on the front lines. But what happens in Iraq? Suicide rate goes up, soldiers would rather come home, and even soldiers work up their own withdrawl plans. I'm not doubting the bravery or the patriotism of the soldiers in the Iraq war at all, I'm just saying that the war in Iraq is completely unjustified and is currently just making things a lot worse...and soldiers know this. Especially compared to US soldiers fighting in Europe against Nazi Germany.

That's funny. I've also read about Iraq veterans who've lost limbs and now, fitted with artificial limbs, are re-upping to go back.

Oooops, I suppose I wasn't supposed to have seen that.

hevusa · 05-09-2006, 05:33 PM

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That's funny. I've also read about Iraq veterans who've lost limbs and now, fitted with artificial limbs, are re-upping to go back.

Oooops, I suppose I wasn't supposed to have seen that.

No, you were supposed to in a BIG way.

alias · 05-12-2006, 03:26 PM

WWII ended in 1945, but for years after that there was all kinds of hell going on. People who don't know history or military tactics are the ones who are doing the screaming and yelling about the war gone bad. Google "Werwolf" and get a little history lesson. This is not McDonalds fast food. Wars are fluid. You can never predict what is going to happen. If you could predict what was going to happen, there would be no war because you could cover all the bases beforehand.

Jefferson · 05-14-2006, 06:36 PM

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WWII ended in 1945, but for years after that there was all kinds of hell going on. People who don't know history or military tactics are the ones who are doing the screaming and yelling about the war gone bad. Google "Werwolf" and get a little history lesson. This is not McDonalds fast food. Wars are fluid. You can never predict what is going to happen. If you could predict what was going to happen, there would be no war because you could cover all the bases beforehand.

Exactly.

But logic, common sense, a knowledge of history and facts will NOT stop the hysterics of the He-Man-Bush-Haters-Club.

intangible child · 05-16-2006, 06:42 AM

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Exactly.

But logic, common sense, a knowledge of history and facts will NOT stop the hysterics of the He-Man-Bush-Haters-Club.

Fer ya & alias.........

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"No matter how noble the objective of a government, if it blurs decency and kindness, cheapens human life, and breeds ill will and suspicion-it is an evil government" ~ Eric Hoffer 1954

aMFliberal · 05-20-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Now... how the heck do you propose to bring peace and stability to a region of the world that has NEVER known peace and stability? How do you propose to help people move toward civil rights, when they are oppressed by a religion (Islam) that is the antithesis of civil rights?

The Muslim people in the Middle East lived in relative peaceful autonomy for over 500 years. They were a tribal people and their codes of ethics and morals reflected that but more importantly they were devout Muslims whose soul purpose in live was to live in accordance with God's will. The Ottoman Empire ruled the Middle East for 500 years and accomplished many great things as far as civilizations go. When WWI and imperial Britain and France showed up, that is when the Middle East became what we know today to be a poltically volatile and violent region. Not understanding this piece of history cause many Americans to have a seriously wrong and harmful conceptualization of the Middle East. I can't take anything you say seriously.

Jefferson · 05-21-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by aMFliberal

The Muslim people in the Middle East lived in relative peaceful autonomy for over 500 years. They were a tribal people and their codes of ethics and morals reflected that but more importantly they were devout Muslims whose soul purpose in live was to live in accordance with God's will. The Ottoman Empire ruled the Middle East for 500 years and accomplished many great things as far as civilizations go. When WWI and imperial Britain and France showed up, that is when the Middle East became what we know today to be a poltically volatile and violent region. Not understanding this piece of history cause many Americans to have a seriously wrong and harmful conceptualization of the Middle East. I can't take anything you say seriously.

O good lord, what on earth have you been drinking?

Nope, there was Muslim peace and prosperity leading up to the Crusades, wasn't there? Darned near 500 years of it!

aMFliberal · 05-21-2006, 09:14 PM

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O good lord, what on earth have you been drinking?

Nope, there was Muslim peace and prosperity leading up to the Crusades, wasn't there? Darned near 500 years of it!

What are you talking about?