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Old 09-22-2006, 10:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I never said it's okay because the enemy does it. You did.
So you're no longer going to be using the enemy as a justification for breaking our rules?


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I said to get the information any way we can. If you have some kind of moral problem with that, that's your problem. Not mine. My goal is to save American lives. There is no higher moral ground than that.
Again. Show me any life that we have saved by breaking our own laws on information gathering.

It's like saying, "I'm going 120 MPH on the freeway so I can get to a fire to put it out." But there is no fire.
A nice excuse for doing something is still an excuse.
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So you're no longer going to be using the enemy as a justification for breaking our rules?



Again. Show me any life that we have saved by breaking our own laws on information gathering.

It's like saying, "I'm going 120 MPH on the freeway so I can get to a fire to put it out." But there is no fire.
A nice excuse for doing something is still an excuse.
There is a fire. It's called islamic fascism.
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There is a fire. It's called islamic fascism.
But your actions are not putting it out...
THAT is what you don't get...
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Old 09-22-2006, 11:14 AM   #24 (permalink)
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But your actions are not putting it out...
THAT is what you don't get...
That's a matter of opinion.
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That's a matter of opinion.
And that's what you usually say when you are claiming something you have no evidence for...

It's not an "opinion" to say that you have no evidence for your claims.
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And that's what you usually say when you are claiming something you have no evidence for...

It's not an "opinion" to say that you have no evidence for your claims.
Who says I need evidence? I say get the information from the enemy any way you can just like we always have in wars.
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Who says I need evidence? I say get the information from the enemy any way you can just like we always have in wars.
So you're just going to use "save lives" as an excuse, with no thought as to if your actions are actually doing what you want...
Got it...
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So you're just going to use "save lives" as an excuse, with no thought as to if your actions are actually doing what you want...
Got it...
Yep. The enemy is trying to kill me and my family. I will do whatever it takes to keep my family alive. I can sleep at night very well with that.
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Yep. The enemy is trying to kill me and my family. I will do whatever it takes to keep my family alive. I can sleep at night very well with that.
There you go again. Claiming that what you advocate is "what it takes" to get the job done, without even questioning the validity of your claim.

You sacrifice the rights of others, just because you have a perception that it could help you. And you don't even care if it ACTUALLY helps, or if somebody has given up their rights for nothing.
All you care about is whether or not you feel safer.
That's pretty selfish.

This world is dangerous. There are all sorts of risks out there.
You need to learn how to live without sacrificing the rights of others so that you feel safer...
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There you go again. Claiming that what you advocate is "what it takes" to get the job done, without even questioning the validity of your claim.

You sacrifice the rights of others, just because you have a perception that it could help you. And you don't even care if it ACTUALLY helps, or if somebody has given up their rights for nothing.
All you care about is whether or not you feel safer.
That's pretty selfish.

This world is dangerous. There are all sorts of risks out there.
You need to learn how to live without sacrificing the rights of others so that you feel safer...
My enemy has no rights during war. The idea is to kill the enemy and that is my right to protect my family and like I said, I can sleep very well and no guilt whatsoever.
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