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Old 06-27-2006, 02:01 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Bush lied, Bush lied, Bush lied. Blah, blah, blah. Time to move on. We all know that a few people hate Bush for one reason and one reason only, he's a republican president. Such infants.
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So let's just ignore it because people regularly just make up news. Be skeptical if you want, but don't just automatically discount it. So many proven lies? On Iraq? We found WMD there. SWIFT? There's no Congressional approval needed for that. 9/11? Yeah, 100s of government employees all worked together secretly to pull off a covert missile strike. Tell me exactly what the administration "lied" about outright. The NSA thing is still on-going, but I'm confident that not telling != lying.
I don't discount the point but I certainly am feeling justified being very skeptical.
I Don't know why we are still talking about WMD. We know they were lying around since Desert storm and the U.N. missing them has nothing to do with Saddam's threat. If they were usable and possibly refurbished I would say you are correct.
I ask you how we are feeling so justified whinning about these weapons, that obviously were not a real threat, when we went in there and shot dirty bombs(WMD) everywhere and left tons of denatured uranium as a gift to the Iraqi people.
I'll research the lies told and get back to you.
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First off, Alias if you're going to argue with someone, argue. All you're really doing is flaming.

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I don't discount the point but I certainly am feeling justified being very skeptical.
I Don't know why we are still talking about WMD. We know they were lying around since Desert storm and the U.N. missing them has nothing to do with Saddam's threat. If they were usable and possibly refurbished I would say you are correct.
I ask you how we are feeling so justified whinning about these weapons, that obviously were not a real threat, when we went in there and shot dirty bombs(WMD) everywhere and left tons of denatured uranium as a gift to the Iraqi people.
I'll research the lies told and get back to you.
They were usable because we had troops attacked by IEDs utilizing some of them. And us going in there has nothing to do with them being a threat or not being a threat. When did we use dirty bombs? I do acknowledge the depleted Uranium darts, though. Those things are brutal.
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First off, Alias if you're going to argue with someone, argue. All you're really doing is flaming.



They were usable because we had troops attacked by IEDs utilizing some of them. And us going in there has nothing to do with them being a threat or not being a threat. When did we use dirty bombs? I do acknowledge the depleted Uranium darts, though. Those things are brutal.
Tabris Please check out the sites on the link to a post I wrote sometime ago on this. It is at the bottom of this post. Here is one small part(which also is a small bit of proof of the lies by this administration):

The dire consequences of exploding radioactive ammunition in the Persian Gulf are hard to cover up. Still, the U.S. military is sticking to its story that the uranium-tipped shells it blew off across Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia have not caused illnesses. Official Pentagon denials of responsibility for Gulf soldiers' ailments have been issued in March, June and December of 1994, August of 1995 and April and November of 1996. Only the VA has said that some of the veterans' health problems are related to DU exposure.

Most recently--July 31, 1998--the Pentagon brass reported (contrary to the Army's finding that no DU dose is so small as to be risk-free) that, "In minute quantities, [DU] exposures will not produce harmful effects…" The lengthy report again concluded however that "medical and scientific research to date, have not established any relationship between DU exposures and the undiagnosed illnesses presented by some Gulf War veterans." (9) Such denials are proving to be lies.

"We have obtained documents that show the DOD was aware of the exposure of soldiers from DU when it burns, aware of the downwind spreading and incidental contamination hazard, and aware of the large number of military personnel that were exposed," said Chris Kornkven, president of the National Gulf War Resources Center. Indeed, the Kornkven's group has concluded that, "military commanders consciously ignored U.S. Army and Nuclear Regulatory Commission regulations in place during Operation Desert Storm which required medical testing and care for vets exposed to DU. Denial of medical care for soldiers exposed to DU was so complete it applied even to soldiers wounded by DU fragments in "friendly fire" accidents.
http://www.no-nukes.org/nukewatch/summer99/du3.html

http://defendingthetruth.com/showthread.php?t=1393
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First off, Alias if you're going to argue with someone, argue. All you're really doing is flaming.



They were usable because we had troops attacked by IEDs utilizing some of them. And us going in there has nothing to do with them being a threat or not being a threat. When did we use dirty bombs? I do acknowledge the depleted Uranium darts, though. Those things are brutal.
I'm just tired of saying the same thing over and over to these anti-Americans. They are not against the war, they are against the president and will not be honest about it. It's all politics.
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I'm just tired of saying the same thing over and over to these anti-Americans. They are not against the war, they are against the president and will not be honest about it. It's all politics.
There are different degrees of dislike for the president. Your labelling of everyone who disagrees with you and the veiws of the president is getting old. It is obvious you are not standing up for a cause but directly attacking anyone who has the common sense to question our current decisions and argue the points. Like it or not this country is made up of a diverse population. It is what this country stands for. Just because someone does not agree with what is going on, does not make them 'anti-Americans'. I think your inability to accept the fact that not every American shares you veiw or love for the president makes you the anti-american. Your 'veiw' on who is an anti-American and your tendency to insult others is borderlining on Naziism.
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Ty, those quotes were made during the Clinton administration, and are not a result of Bush, nor Clinton for that matter. It says nothing of this administration's lies about Iraq. Either way I'm at work and can't check those links. I agree with you more than not but I wanted to keep arguing against you.

I just wish all this had happened sooner rather than later, since we had Clinton declaring Iraq was evil and a threat but didn't do anything about it.
If the opposite of pro is con, what is Congress?

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Ty, those quotes were made during the Clinton administration, and are not a result of Bush, nor Clinton for that matter. It says nothing of this administration's lies about Iraq. Either way I'm at work and can't check those links. I agree with you more than not but I wanted to keep arguing against you.

I just wish all this had happened sooner rather than later, since we had Clinton declaring Iraq was evil and a threat but didn't do anything about it.
Tabris, my bad, I posted too quickly last time and quoted from the wrong link.
Please check out this link about the U.S. using dirty bombs in Iraq. Please check out the other links on the right side of the page, also.
http://www.wagingpeace.org/articles/...irty-bombs.htm
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Don't worry about it. Damn, I had see nthe shit about DU but not the oxide part. It's hard from my end to care though since I'm not over there. ::Sigh::

OTOH, DU is mainly used as an anti-tank weapon and against heavily-armored vehicles. The HE rounds are more effective at killing everything else.
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