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Old 06-23-2006, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Army Lies to Mother of Slain Guardsman for Two Years, Says Killed by Insurgents
Instead of Allied Iraqi Soldiers

The U.S. military is being accused of another deliberate cover-up involving killings in Iraq. But this time, the victims are not Iraqis...they're American soldiers.

Specialist Patrick McCaffrey and First Lieutenant Andre Tyson - both members of the California National Guard - were killed in June 2004 while on patrol near the town of Balad, fifty miles north of Baghdad.

Military officials initially told the families that the two soldiers had been attacked and killed in an ambush by insurgents. But that story turned out to be a lie.

An Army investigation concluded in September 2005 that the two were in fact killed by members of the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps - supposed allies that the Guardsmen had been training and patrolling with. McCaffrey and Tyson's fellow soldiers had suspected this was the case all along. Instead of sharing these findings with the families, the military sat on the story - for nine months.

It was only after Nadia McCaffrey - the mother of Specialist Patrick McCaffrey - asked California Senator Barbara Boxer in May to pressure the Pentagon to release information about her son's death that the truth came out.

The military revealed what it knew only this week - nearly two years to the day of the killings of McCaffrey and Tyson. An Army general briefed the families at their homes on Wednesday. The Pentagon is now being accused of a deliberate cover-up.

Senator Boxer said the case raises troubling questions and plans to raise the issue on the floor of the Senate.

She told reporters, "I think it" s pretty obvious that if the American people knew that the Iraqis we train would turn on our soldiers, support for the war would erode."

This is not the first case of its kind. Also in 2004, NFL star Pat Tillman was killed while serving in Afghanistan. The Army initially said Tillman was killed by enemy fire while leading troops into battle. The high-profile story was widely reported in the media. But the Army was later forced to acknowledge that Tillman had in fact been killed by gunfire from his fellow soldiers.
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Old 06-23-2006, 12:46 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Senator Boxer knows about as much about how to fight a war as I know about how to fix the shuttle, absolutely nothing. She's nothing but an elitist liberal who is held up by the nimble-brained nimrods who have been dumbed down by the socialist education system. YOU.
Old 06-23-2006, 01:55 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"But the Army was later forced to acknowledge that Tillman had in fact been killed by gunfire from his fellow soldiers."

Yeah, and? What rules out Friendly-Fire? It doesn't mean he was intentionally killed by allied fire. Sheesh.
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Old 06-23-2006, 03:01 PM   #4 (permalink)
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1) Accurately relaying the cause of a soldier's death has nothing to do with "running a war". If people think that we have to lie to the American public for the purpose of "running a war", then they are asking to be sheep...

2) Nobody said anything about "intentionally killing". Nobody said anything about ruling out "friendly fire".

3) I find it ironic that there is criticism towards the news media for not reporting all there is to report on the war effort, but here we have the American government LYING to the grieving families of American soldiers, and these are the types of responses we see.

So I guess we see that not telling the whole story is bad.
LYING about the circumstances of a death is okay.

Got it...
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1) Accurately relaying the cause of a soldier's death has nothing to do with "running a war". If people think that we have to lie to the American public for the purpose of "running a war", then they are asking to be sheep...

2) Nobody said anything about "intentionally killing". Nobody said anything about ruling out "friendly fire".

3) I find it ironic that there is criticism towards the news media for not reporting all there is to report on the war effort, but here we have the American government LYING to the grieving families of American soldiers, and these are the types of responses we see.

So I guess we see that not telling the whole story is bad.
LYING about the circumstances of a death is okay.

Got it...
On the other hand...

Reporting the news, insofar as you know it, is acceptable.

Coming back the next day (or week, or month) and reporting on new developments and information is ALSO acceptable.


Got it?
Old 06-23-2006, 04:36 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Senator Boxer knows about as much about how to fight a war as I know about how to fix the shuttle, absolutely nothing. She's nothing but an elitist liberal who is held up by the nimble-brained nimrods who have been dumbed down by the socialist education system. YOU.
So...the cover-up is not issue then?

Or did you just want to spew your filth?

God, you know the Socialist Party is really contending with the Democrats and Republicans, this year's midterm elections are going to be really interesting to watch. I mean, the socialist education system has been turning out so many socialists for decades, it's no wonder we have a strong socialist political party contending for power. I mean, you really can't walk into a high school anymore without being bombarded with anti-capitalism every corner you turn.

ELITIST?
Good lord, who isn't elitist in this country? It's a meritocracy...all of the founders were elitists...and all politicians are full of themselves, left and right.
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Old 06-24-2006, 12:24 AM   #7 (permalink)
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On the other hand...
Reporting the news, insofar as you know it, is acceptable.
Coming back the next day (or week, or month) and reporting on new developments and information is ALSO acceptable.
Got it?
1) Say whaaa?
2) And of course, since two wrongs make a right, we should lie to the families of the dead soldiers...
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Soldiers are killed frequently by friendly fire in battles. Been happening for centuries. He gave his life defending his country. End of story.
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Soldiers are killed frequently by friendly fire in battles. Been happening for centuries. He gave his life defending his country. End of story.
Did you even read the article?
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Did you even read the article?
I've read the story before. What part disturbs you, the so-called coverup?
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