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Old 06-25-2006, 12:30 PM   #11 (permalink)
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It may have started out that way, due to inaccurate intelligence and misrepresentation of our motives, but the things that have come to light since the 9/11 incident have proven that terrorism is a world-wide issue that has to be addressed and dealt with.
While I do find that the violence of war is in direct opposition to my high regard to all life, what alternatives do we have in countering terrorism but to deal with it on it's own terms?
It's fine for me to sit here in the safety and security of my home, while others are dying in this daily fight for their freedom from terror, for them to be able to walk down the street and not worry about being killed or kidnapped and tortured, and wonder at the madness of it all, but that does not solve any issues that these people face every day.
Terrorism is a real threat to many people every day of their lives and we cannot allow the weapon of fear to be used to gain power over entire populations. Until we are able to find an effective means of fighting this evil, and yes, it is evil, without violent means, then we are forced to use violence to counter it.
We have not been entirely just in our treatment of prisoners, which is another very disturbing issue to me. This has shown that we do have some serious flaws within the structure of command of our military and this is another thing we need to address. They are trying, our soldiers, to do what is expected of them, and perhaps being prison guards is something they have not been effectively trained for.
We are not dealing with ordinary prisoners, we are dealing with a prison population of terrorists, religious extremists and fanatics, and these are people we need to understand better in order to be more effective in our "War on Terror".
I am coming to understand that only through our mistakes will we be able to learn how to make this world a safer place for everyone. This is a major undertaking on the part of the United States and its allies, and we can't simply walk away and leave everyone else to pick up the peices. That is a mistake we cannot afford to make.
We all want this war to end. We all want an end to the senseless death of innocents. We all want peace. However, there are those who stand to gain from the power of fear. The terrorists will not simply walk away, leaving their weapons behind, to allow everyone to live in peace so neither can we.
For me, this is a painful realization.
I do have hope that this war will end.
A very good post.

I however think that we are being too easy on the prisoners. We have heard in the news about some negative stuff that were being done to the prisoners, and that is being delt with. But when compared to how our soliders are being treated by Al Qaeda when captured, it's night and day. We let them have their prayer time, they get full meals, etc..

Hear about the two Americans who had there eyes gouged out and brutally tortured? I don't know if they were alive at the time, but I have never seen a case where we did something like that to a prisoner. Sleep insomnia, loud noises, are in my mind "safe torture"...what they do to captured American soldiers...you just can't even compare.
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Old 06-25-2006, 12:39 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The problem I have is who gets to say if someone is a terrorist or not? No charges are brought and they are held indefinitely.
Also, right now there is so many faction groups who is to say if we are torturing the right people in return?
Someone has to take the first step in treating the other's prisoners well. I don't know if the torture of our boys will stop if we change our attitude towards this, but atleast we are making the correct, humane choice. I like to think we haven't lowered ourselves to their level but I find this harder and harder to accept.
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Why isn't Hillary Clinton jumping all over these claimed inside jobs??
Because she wants to be President......

What.....

You think Politicians have morals?

Its called....."the path of least resistance."

It is easier and less risky to just go along with the "official story"....not question it......otherwise you will be attacked by the government/ corporate media.......which has the Pentagon, the CIA, the FBI and the NSA making these claims.

It is better to "go along and get along"....and then form your policies based on what the "majority believes is true"....not based on what the facts or evidence suggests.

This is why Americans like myself must be vigilant in getting people to ask questions.
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Because she wants to be President......

What.....

You think Politicians have morals?
Who sliced off Nick Berg's head?
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Who sliced off Nick Berg's head?
Nick Berg was killed in Abu Ghraib.
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Do you know how to do an investigation?
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Do you know how to do an investigation?
Does the fact he had on an orange suit make it a fact that he was beheaded in Abu Gharib?
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Does the fact he had on an orange suit make it a fact that he was beheaded in Abu Gharib?

That is one of the many anomalies.

A good friend once gave me some advice on how to do an investigation.

One of the fundamental principles is of course to ask questions.

And when the information you are given is irrational.....ask more questions.

Such as......911....."buildings fell because of fire"...irrational.

So.....you ask more questions.

You dont just ignore the irrational explanations simply because they are.......

"backed by official government sources."


The latter is how you end up in George Orwell's 1984

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That is one of the many anomalies.

A good friend once gave me some advice on how to do an investigation.

One of the fundamental principles is of course to ask questions.

And when the information you are given is irrational.....ask more questions.

Such as......911....."buildings fell because of fire"...irrational.

So.....you ask more questions.

You dont just ignore the irrational explanations simply because they are.......

"backed by official government sources."


The latter is how you end up in George Orwell's 1984

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That's wonderful, but you failed to answer my question. Who beheaded Nick Berg? Do you know his name?
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That's wonderful, but you failed to answer my question. Who beheaded Nick Berg? Do you know his name?
What I know for a fact is that the government is lying about the death of Nick Berg.
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