Defending the Truth

You're dodging the issue at hand by attacking people personally...yet again. It seems to be the right's favorite tactic nowadays. That's really unfortunate. Please get to the legal questions of the topic, not whether the founder of ACLU is communist or not. And if free speech is so important to you then you wouldn't be attempting to silence communists in the first place; or dismiss them simply because of the fact. And whether he was a Communist or not is completely irrelevant to the issue at hand. I really wouldn't want you as an attorney. You would object because "the council is communist". Even if such assertions are true, they're completely irrelevant and hold no weight what so ever in the court.

And even if he was a communist, its faulty logic to assume that the ACLU is communist.

And my rebuttal is that point is meaningless.
And you cannot refute that, but instead you harp on the meaningless statement over and over again...


Yeah...
Evidently that comment's humor went wayyyy over your head.

Regardless, you make the accusation that communists are presently in the ACLU, and then you completely fail to name any...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You just make sh!t up according to whatever is convenient for you...


The point isn't that you shouldn't have free speech.
The point is that you're making things up again...

Why do I find myself consistently having to re-explain things to you...

It is communist. That's my opinion and a lot of other American's opinion. Learn to live with it.

The ACLU has a communist agenda and here it is:

Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better understand their activities.

The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman, described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."

Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year, Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to deny what can easily be proven as truth.

For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy America's culture and traditions:

* Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

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* Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.


* Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.


* Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."


* Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.


* Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and television.


* Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural and healthy."


* Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."


* Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."


* Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of the communists then and now.


* Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.


* Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.


Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:


Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.


Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.


No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU. Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.


If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.


There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for "civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district during the month of December – make the most of it.

I can see why Foundit defends the ACLU so vigorously. Most of what is in my last post describes Foundit's thinking process. Is red your favorite color?

All this blither blather coming from a guy who has NO CLUE as to what the ACLU really is, but can't wait to start making bizarre claims about them.

Anybody can make up sh!t alias. You're living proof.


Purely absurd.
Christianity is not being "destroyed" by saying that Christians cannot use government to endorse their religion.
More Christians crying up a storm because they can't have their religion put into government...


This "list" has been refuted on these boards before.
Virtually ANYTHING can be entered into "congressional record".
Do you have any clue as to the SOURCE of this "list" in the first place alias?

It's amazing. New people, but they are recycling the same tired ol' arguments...

Christians don't want government to endorese their religion. That is a LIE. Christians want the freedom to practice their religion FREELY like the constitution states. Big difference. Of course, you have no problem parroting what the communists have stated do you after you say I have no clue. Now that's funny.

And thus we see the downfall of intelligence in our society...

Issues of fact or falsehood are downgraded to just "opinion".

Thus, any slanderous accusation can be labelled as just "opinion" and proving the validity of the claim (or facing the fact that it has been disproven) can be avoided.


Alias, time and time again you have proven you HAVEN'T A CLUE as to what my thought process is.
And no matter how many times I tell you that I don't think this way or that, you'll still lie your ass off and say I do.


As I pointed out earlier, the MAIN DIFFERENCE inbetween the LEGAL scenario and the scenario Christians WHINE about is the governmental involvement.

A coach and his players are all free to choose to individually bow their heads and say their own prayers to their own Gods.
But Christians aren't satisfied with that. They want a government official to lead the prayer. To sanction it.


They have that right.
You were able to dig an isolated example out of your arse regarding how a rule concerning JEWELRY is preventing christian JEWELRY from being worn OUTSIDE of the clothing, but that isn't the same as not having the freedom to "practice their religion"...

Unless you can show me the commandment which says you have to wear jewelry outside your clothing...

As a sidebar to the myths that Foundit posted, the Electronic Frontier Foundation is suing AT&T for collaborating with the NSA in illegally spying on millions of Americans. The suit says that AT&T has given the NSA a cozy room in one of their facilities, and has set up the cabling so that they can easily eavesdrop on *any* call or email. See http://www.eff.org/ for the latest news and court documents in this suit.