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Old 07-25-2006, 07:50 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I'm not losing ground. You're making the mistake of acquainting me with the Democratic Party again. I'm not a Democrat. Every vote counts, yes, but you would agree that like a couple hundred votes isn't significant (I didn't say worthless).

But the Democrats are losing ground because they lack leadership. There are some good politicians in the Democratic Party, but they're usually outcast for superficial reasons (Kucinich is short, etc.,etc.). There are some good Republicans too but unfortunately being original fiscal-responsibility and small-government conservatives, they're outcast because they have little to no room in the new neo-conservative movement in the Republican Party.
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Yes it may be true that more minorities are voting Republican. But it does not seem significant because you can define almost anything as a minority if you filter it down enough. There is a minority of people who use Tadpole or ampibian related handles on the internet, that does not make it a statistic.

The real problem here is that there is not much difference between the republicans or the democrats, they are both self-serving establishments who care little for the American people, and more for supporting their fat-cat corporate backers, and their group of lobbyist supporters, all the while using the American people as a source of income, and the military as a politcal tool.
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Old 07-26-2006, 08:52 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Actually, Hezbollah wasn't elected, and most Lebanese people hate them. Syria and Iran have been using Hezbollah to control the southern part of the country. The problem is that Lebanon, because of its previous civil war, is still too weak to fight off these foreign influences. You may have noticed the protesting that happened last year.
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Actually, Hezbollah wasn't elected, and most Lebanese people hate them. Syria and Iran have been using Hezbollah to control the southern part of the country. The problem is that Lebanon, because of its previous civil war, is still too weak to fight off these foreign influences. You may have noticed the protesting that happened last year.
I thought someone on this forum said hezbully was elected? It's true most of the Lebanese hate them. They need to be exterminated like cockroaches.
Old 07-26-2006, 09:39 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I thought someone on this forum said hezbully was elected? It's true most of the Lebanese hate them. They need to be exterminated like cockroaches.
I understood it that way as well. (hesbully was elected)

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Actually, Hezbollah wasn't elected, and most Lebanese people hate them. Syria and Iran have been using Hezbollah to control the southern part of the country. The problem is that Lebanon, because of its previous civil war, is still too weak to fight off these foreign influences. You may have noticed the protesting that happened last year.
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I thought someone on this forum said hezbully was elected? It's true most of the Lebanese hate them. They need to be exterminated like cockroaches.
Well, they have a political arm and they were democratically elected into 14 seats. If that's what you mean by "elected" then you're wrong. But I know for a fact that you're wrong about your statement that most Lebanese hate them. Do you have anything to back that up? Virtually all Lebanese in the south support them, especially now that this war is going on. And even though a lot of Lebanese are more liberal and hate Hezbollah, especially in Beirut, now you have a growing support for Hezbollah because of Israeli tactics. But mostly because the Hezbollah provide social services to them, more than the government; so their trust is then gained that way. And also Hezbollah has many schools and indoctrinates children.

Here you have the Israeli theory that you punish the Lebanese civilian population, and tell them it is Hezbollah's fault that it's happening to them. Well it doesn't really work that way, even if it might have some truth to it. They see it as Israeli and American made bombs, shells, and missiles are falling on the Lebanese people and infustructure; not Hezbollah. If my family was killed by an Israeli missile, and the Israelis told me it was because of what my government didn't do, I would be pissed the hell off at Israel, not my government. Although Hezbollah has some indirect guilt for starting this war, you have to look at the inciting event.

The inciting event is the continued repression, the abductions and the assassinations, the economic strangulation, and of coarse the steady takeover of the West Bank. I mean, the Israelis have the upperhand here. Both technologically and numerically. Of coarse the Palestinians are going to be pushed to desperate tactics to fight for the survival of Palestine. And this push to desperatism has gotten so far that some small more radical factions are fighting not for their freedom as Palestine but to wipe Israel off the map.

Again I recognize that Hezbollah has a lot to blame for conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. And I agree that they're terrorists that need to be eradicated or held accountable for their crimes against humanity. But what we see here is a conventional war campaign not directed at Hezbollah, but Lebanese targets which have nothing to do with the operational apparatus of Hezbollah (hospitals, power plants, civilian neighborhoods, fleeing Lebanese civilians, Red Cross, a UN outpost, just to name a few, and so on). The Israelis are trying to wage a conventional war on a group that is not conventional. They have their missile systems tucked away in forestry, caves, random crates in the streets, barns, and so on. You can't wage a conventional war on these people, especially one that targets specifically the average Lebanese people.

This is why Hezbollah's rate of fire of missiles is not deminishing one bit, but only seems to be growing. Because these people move from one hidden missile system to the next. They might fire off their missiles, and after they do, by the time the Israelis fire onto the determined position of that missile system, they have already moved because they're mobile (MLRS - Mobile Launch Rocket System), or the fighters have already abandoned that site to another hidden missile site down the road.
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Israel is going to protect it's citizens no matter what. That's the bottom line. We all hate the killing of civilians. What we have to remember is Hezbollah started this. The have admitted they miscalculated Israel's response. Good. Hopefully it woke them up to what will happen if they try this crap again. You obtain peace by superior force, not negotiating. Negotiating is for losers.
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Well, they have a political arm and they were democratically elected into 14 seats. If that's what you mean by "elected" then you're wrong. But I know for a fact that you're wrong about your statement that most Lebanese hate them. Do you have anything to back that up? Virtually all Lebanese in the south support them, especially now that this war is going on. And even though a lot of Lebanese are more liberal and hate Hezbollah, especially in Beirut, now you have a growing support for Hezbollah because of Israeli tactics. But mostly because the Hezbollah provide social services to them, more than the government; so their trust is then gained that way. And also Hezbollah has many schools and indoctrinates children.

Here you have the Israeli theory that you punish the Lebanese civilian population, and tell them it is Hezbollah's fault that it's happening to them. Well it doesn't really work that way, even if it might have some truth to it. They see it as Israeli and American made bombs, shells, and missiles are falling on the Lebanese people and infustructure; not Hezbollah. If my family was killed by an Israeli missile, and the Israelis told me it was because of what my government didn't do, I would be pissed the hell off at Israel, not my government. Although Hezbollah has some indirect guilt for starting this war, you have to look at the inciting event.

The inciting event is the continued repression, the abductions and the assassinations, the economic strangulation, and of coarse the steady takeover of the West Bank. I mean, the Israelis have the upperhand here. Both technologically and numerically. Of coarse the Palestinians are going to be pushed to desperate tactics to fight for the survival of Palestine. And this push to desperatism has gotten so far that some small more radical factions are fighting not for their freedom as Palestine but to wipe Israel off the map.

Again I recognize that Hezbollah has a lot to blame for conflict between Israel and Hezbollah. And I agree that they're terrorists that need to be eradicated or held accountable for their crimes against humanity. But what we see here is a conventional war campaign not directed at Hezbollah, but Lebanese targets which have nothing to do with the operational apparatus of Hezbollah (hospitals, power plants, civilian neighborhoods, fleeing Lebanese civilians, Red Cross, a UN outpost, just to name a few, and so on). The Israelis are trying to wage a conventional war on a group that is not conventional. They have their missile systems tucked away in forestry, caves, random crates in the streets, barns, and so on. You can't wage a conventional war on these people, especially one that targets specifically the average Lebanese people.

This is why Hezbollah's rate of fire of missiles is not deminishing one bit, but only seems to be growing. Because these people move from one hidden missile system to the next. They might fire off their missiles, and after they do, by the time the Israelis fire onto the determined position of that missile system, they have already moved because they're mobile (MLRS - Mobile Launch Rocket System), or the fighters have already abandoned that site to another hidden missile site down the road.
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Also, they only have fourteen seats, out of a total of 128. They're a clear minority. The bloc they belong to is also still a minority. Hezbollah treats southern Lebanon as if it were a separate country, contrary to the laws of the rest of the nation.
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