Israel has a Moral Right to Exist - Page 18

Jefferson · 08-26-2006, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Your insults are only helping my argument.

Oh believe me, I'm from Earth...although I can't say much about yourself.

Apparently you didn't do your homework before you mouthed off to me and Islam. "Holy war" was coined by the Christian crusaders. Now that's a round-house kick to the face isn't it?

Armed conflict of Jihad is only a slice of the pie of the entire broad definition. A Jihadist could simply mean someone in an inward spiritual struggle to form a more perfect faith or lifestyle. Jihad soley meaning "holy war" is a common misconception in the western culture. In fact the word itself means "to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle" in Arabic.

And you say that "many" Muslims take Jihad to soley mean a radical holy war, yet you have nothing to back that up. Its quite clear that the radical groups you see on television only make up a small minority of the entire Muslim community. Unfortunately the extremists have the power and wealth, as do Christian radicals in the United States.

But I'm not denying that holy war is a part of Islam. It surely is. But terrorism is not. In fact, terrorism is diametrically opposed to the true teachings of Islam. Muslims believe in protecting the innocent, women, and children, during war.

From Dictionary.com

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ji‧had /dʒɪˈhɑd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ji-hahd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
Also, jehad.

Do you know what a dictionary is? You really should learn what it is, because even the dictionary says you are WRONG.

And as for your arguing against the fact that different Muslims interpret Jihad in different ways... Well, you're just proving that you're a total dumbass.

Idiot.

Dylan · 08-26-2006, 08:47 PM

Jihad is a word which originates from a concept of Islam (one which is not necissarily violent, I might add. It depends on your interpretation). It may have other meanings, but the connotations of the source are still relevant, much like, say, the word "advent" for example, which has a similar context, if not meaning, in regard to Roman Catholicism.

Jefferson · 08-26-2006, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dylan

Jihad is a word which originates from a concept of Islam (one which is not necissarily violent, I might add. It depends on your interpretation). It may have other meanings, but the connotations of the source are still relevant, much like, say, the word "advent" for example, which has a similar context, if not meaning, in regard to Roman Catholicism.

Exactly.

Lucidthots · 08-26-2006, 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Some of you are so indoctrinated in your political correctness, you can't allow yourself to speak the truth.

Look in the mirror.

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Lucidthots · 08-26-2006, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

You think I'm an ignorant redneck old man.

No....just a brainwashed anti American, Zionist parrot.

Katczinsky · 08-27-2006, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

From Dictionary.com

Do you know what a dictionary is? You really should learn what it is, because even the dictionary says you are WRONG.

And as for your arguing against the fact that different Muslims interpret Jihad in different ways... Well, you're just proving that you're a total dumbass.

Idiot.

Actually the dictionary only proves my claim. That it is a much broader definition other than "holy war". But instead you only display your ability to look on the surface of things, just to insult me. Do you always look on just the surface?

If you actually read the full definition, you would know it does mean different things. Plus, I might add, this is an english dictionary, defining an Arabic word. Thus it is going to give the definition of the word that English, or western, speakers percieve it to be. In this case, "holy war", which itself was coined by Christian crusaders in their own religious violence.

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

ji·had also je·had (j-häd) Pronunciation Key Audio pronunciation of "Jihad" [P]
n.

1. A Muslim holy war or spiritual struggle against infidels.
2. A crusade or struggle: “The war against smoking is turning into a jihad against people who smoke” (Fortune).

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Originally Posted by Dictionary.com

Jihad

n 1: a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels [syn: jehad, international jihad] 2: a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal [syn: jehad]

Jihad - Wikipedia

Again, I'm not denying that "holy war" is a part of Jihad. It certainly is. Its just that westerners tend to confuse the definition of Jihad by meaning soley holy war; when its not. Westerners also tend to confuse Jihad with terrorism. When its not. Jihad is supposed to be a just (in their opinion) war. And above all, it must obey by the code of conduct under Muhammad. Which states that no innocents should be killed, nor should any trees or animals be destroyed. So as you can see, terrorism is diametrically opposed to Islam.

Also, is it at all possible that you could perhaps debate without being such an asshole?

alias · 08-27-2006, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Katczinsky

Your insults are only helping my argument.

Oh believe me, I'm from Earth...although I can't say much about yourself.

Apparently you didn't do your homework before you mouthed off to me and Islam. "Holy war" was coined by the Christian crusaders. Now that's a round-house kick to the face isn't it?

Armed conflict of Jihad is only a slice of the pie of the entire broad definition. A Jihadist could simply mean someone in an inward spiritual struggle to form a more perfect faith or lifestyle. Jihad soley meaning "holy war" is a common misconception in the western culture. In fact the word itself means "to exert utmost effort, to strive, struggle" in Arabic.

And you say that "many" Muslims take Jihad to soley mean a radical holy war, yet you have nothing to back that up. Its quite clear that the radical groups you see on television only make up a small minority of the entire Muslim community. Unfortunately the extremists have the power and wealth, as do Christian radicals in the United States.

But I'm not denying that holy war is a part of Islam. It surely is. But terrorism is not. In fact, terrorism is diametrically opposed to the true teachings of Islam. Muslims believe in protecting the innocent, women, and children, during war.

Your "small minority" is enough to instill terror in the world. Tell me, what percentage of the German population belonged to the Nazi party? While your finding that out, go to this site and tell me which of these quotes from the Koran is a lie:

http://www.nowscape.com/islam/islam.htm