Forget The Rules Of Engagment

Lucidthots · 09-13-2006, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

Uh yeah, right. You support those who murder civilians and then hide behind women and children and you call me evil. Uh huh. Yep. Right on sport.

Mt 7:3

And why beholdest thou the mote (speck) that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam (large piece of timber) that is in thine own eye?

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conspiriter · 09-13-2006, 04:58 PM

The R.O.E should get a serious looking at.

alias · 09-13-2006, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by intangible child

Who supports those who murder civilians?

Not I!

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More propaganda. I'm sure your Islamofascist buddies love you immensely. You're the perfect useful idiot.

alias · 09-13-2006, 06:55 PM

Read this unintelligable child. It describes you perfectly:

Thomas Sowell

Useful idiots

Jewish World Review: Cal Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Kathleen Parker, Walter Williams, Mona Charen, Dennis Prager, Nat Hentoff, Mallard Fillmore, Mark Steyn, Laura Ingraham -- LENIN is supposed to have referred to blind defenders and apologists for the Soviet Union in the Western democracies as "useful idiots." Yet even Lenin might have been surprised at how far these useful idiots would carry their partisanship in later years -- including our own times.

Stalin's man-made famine in the Soviet Union during the 1930s killed more millions of people than Hitler killed in the Holocaust -- and Mao's man-made famine in China killed more millions than died in the USSR. Yet we not only hear little or nothing about either of these staggering catastrophes in the Communist world today, very little was said about them in the Western democracies while they were going on. Indeed, many useful idiots denied that there were famines in the Soviet Union or in Communist China.

The most famous of these was the New York Times' Moscow correspondent, Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer prize for telling people what they wanted to hear, rather than what was actually happening. Duranty assured his readers that "there is no famine or actual starvation, nor is there likely to be." Moreover, he blamed reports to the contrary on "rumor factories" with anti-Soviet bias.

It was decades later before the first serious scholarly study of that famine was written, by Robert Conquest of the Hoover Institution, always identified in politically correct circles as "right-wing." Yet when the Soviets' own statistics on the deaths during the famine were finally released, under Mikhail Gorbachev, they showed that the actual deaths exceeded even the millions estimated by Dr. Conquest.

Official statistics on the famine deaths in China under Mao have never been released, but knowledgeable estimates run upwards of 20 million people. Yet, even here, there were the same bland denials by sympathizers and fellow travellers in the West as during the earlier Soviet famine. One celebrated "expert" on China wrote: "I saw no starving people in China, nothing that looked like old-time famines." Horrifying as the pre-Communist famines were, they never killed as many people as Mao's famine did.

Today, even after the evidence of massive man-made famines in the Communist world, after Solzhenitsyn's revelations about the gulags and after the horrors of the killing fields of Cambodia, the useful idiots continue to deny or downplay staggering human tragedies under Communist dictatorships. Or else they engage in moral equivalence, as Newsweek editor and TV pundit Eleanor Clift did during the Elian Gonzalez controversy, when she said: "To be a poor child in Cuba may in many instances be better than being a poor child in Miami and I'm not going to condemn their lifestyle so gratuitously."

Apparently totalitarian dictatorship is just a lifestyle, like wearing sandals and beads and using herbal medicine. It apparently has not occurred to Eleanor Clift to ask why poor people in Miami do not put themselves and their children on flimsy boats, in a desperate effort to reach Cuba.

Elian Gonzalez and his mother were only the latest of millions of people to flee Communist dictatorships at the risk of their lives. Some were shot trying to get past the Berlin wall and hundreds of thousands of "boat people" were drowned trying to escape a Communist Vietnam that many useful idiots were celebrating from inside free democracies. Many who escaped from the Soviet Union to the West during the Second World War were sent back by American authorities, except for those who committed suicide rather than go back.

Yet none of this has really registered on a very large segment of the intelligentsia in the West. Nor are Western capitalists immune to the same blindness. The owner of the Baltimore Orioles announced that he would not hire baseball players who defect from Cuba, because this would be an "insult" to Castro. TV magnate Ted Turner has sponsored a TV mini-series on the Cold War that has often taken the moral equivalence line.

Turner's instructions to the historian who put this series together was that he wanted no "triumphalism," meaning apparently no depiction of the triumph of democracy over Communism. Various scholars who have specialized in the study of Communist countries have criticized the distortions in this mini-series in a recently published book titled "CNN's Cold War Documentary: Issues and Controversy," edited by Arnold Beichman.

Meanwhile, that moral-equivalence mini-series is being spread through American schools from coast to coast, as if to turn our children into the useful idiots of the future.

JWR contributor Thomas Sowell, a fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author, most recently, of The Quest for Cosmic Justice.

Looks like they succeded with you.

Lucidthots · 09-13-2006, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by alias

I'm sure your Islamofascist buddies love you immensely.

.... "teh evul Mooooslims!!!!!11111oneeleven" ....are gonna get you.

Jefferson · 09-13-2006, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucidthots

.... "teh evul Mooooslims!!!!!11111oneeleven" ....are gonna get you.

Thank you, Adolf! Thank you very much!

alias · 09-13-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jefferson

Thank you, Adolf! Thank you very much!

Perfect description.

intangible child · 09-14-2006, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alias

Read this unintelligable child. It describes you perfectly:

Thomas Sowell

Useful idiots

Jewish World Review: Cal Thomas, Thomas Sowell, Kathleen Parker, Walter Williams, Mona Charen, Dennis Prager, Nat Hentoff, Mallard Fillmore, Mark Steyn, Laura Ingraham -- LENIN is supposed to have referred to blind defenders and apologists for the Soviet Union in the Western democracies as "useful idiots." Yet even Lenin might have been surprised at how far these useful idiots would carry their partisanship in later years -- including our own times.

Stalin's man-made famine in the Soviet Union during the 1930s killed more millions of people than Hitler killed in the Holocaust -- and Mao's man-made famine in China killed more millions than died in the USSR. Yet we not only hear little or nothing about either of these staggering catastrophes in the Communist world today, very little was said about them in the Western democracies while they were going on. Indeed, many useful idiots denied that there were famines in the Soviet Union or in Communist China.

The most famous of these was the New York Times' Moscow correspondent, Walter Duranty, who won a Pulitzer prize for telling people what they wanted to hear, rather than what was actually happening. Duranty assured his readers that "there is no famine or actual starvation, nor is there likely to be." Moreover, he blamed reports to the contrary on "rumor factories" with anti-Soviet bias.

It was decades later before the first serious scholarly study of that famine was written, by Robert Conquest of the Hoover Institution, always identified in politically correct circles as "right-wing." Yet when the Soviets' own statistics on the deaths during the famine were finally released, under Mikhail Gorbachev, they showed that the actual deaths exceeded even the millions estimated by Dr. Conquest.

Official statistics on the famine deaths in China under Mao have never been released, but knowledgeable estimates run upwards of 20 million people. Yet, even here, there were the same bland denials by sympathizers and fellow travellers in the West as during the earlier Soviet famine. One celebrated "expert" on China wrote: "I saw no starving people in China, nothing that looked like old-time famines." Horrifying as the pre-Communist famines were, they never killed as many people as Mao's famine did.

Today, even after the evidence of massive man-made famines in the Communist world, after Solzhenitsyn's revelations about the gulags and after the horrors of the killing fields of Cambodia, the useful idiots continue to deny or downplay staggering human tragedies under Communist dictatorships. Or else they engage in moral equivalence, as Newsweek editor and TV pundit Eleanor Clift did during the Elian Gonzalez controversy, when she said: "To be a poor child in Cuba may in many instances be better than being a poor child in Miami and I'm not going to condemn their lifestyle so gratuitously."

Apparently totalitarian dictatorship is just a lifestyle, like wearing sandals and beads and using herbal medicine. It apparently has not occurred to Eleanor Clift to ask why poor people in Miami do not put themselves and their children on flimsy boats, in a desperate effort to reach Cuba.

Elian Gonzalez and his mother were only the latest of millions of people to flee Communist dictatorships at the risk of their lives. Some were shot trying to get past the Berlin wall and hundreds of thousands of "boat people" were drowned trying to escape a Communist Vietnam that many useful idiots were celebrating from inside free democracies. Many who escaped from the Soviet Union to the West during the Second World War were sent back by American authorities, except for those who committed suicide rather than go back.

Yet none of this has really registered on a very large segment of the intelligentsia in the West. Nor are Western capitalists immune to the same blindness. The owner of the Baltimore Orioles announced that he would not hire baseball players who defect from Cuba, because this would be an "insult" to Castro. TV magnate Ted Turner has sponsored a TV mini-series on the Cold War that has often taken the moral equivalence line.

Turner's instructions to the historian who put this series together was that he wanted no "triumphalism," meaning apparently no depiction of the triumph of democracy over Communism. Various scholars who have specialized in the study of Communist countries have criticized the distortions in this mini-series in a recently published book titled "CNN's Cold War Documentary: Issues and Controversy," edited by Arnold Beichman.

Meanwhile, that moral-equivalence mini-series is being spread through American schools from coast to coast, as if to turn our children into the useful idiots of the future.

JWR contributor Thomas Sowell, a fellow at the Hoover Institution, is author, most recently, of The Quest for Cosmic Justice.

Looks like they succeded with you.

Looks like hate has ruled your soul. PEACE!
Fear Mongers

A "peacemaker" is one who seeks to bring harmony and reconciliation between those who are estranged. Peacemaking seeks to produce right relationships between persons. God hates those who sow discord and stir up trouble (Proverbs 6:19). Vet every community and every local church and many homes have people who thrive on divisions and conflict and unrest.

Peacemakers are needed in our churches. Holding grudges and evil speaking are common sources of conflict among believers. Busybodies and slanderers and disagreeable persons can cause havoc in a congregation.

Peacemakers are needed in our homes. Quarreling and disagreements and unwillingness to respect God's order of authority, often lead people to treat the worst those who really love them the most -- intimate family members.
Blessed are the Peacemakers

Lucidthots · 09-14-2006, 01:17 AM

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It is easy to determine who the useful idiots are.....just look at their works.

Ignorance, Death, Fear, Murder, Lies, Torture, Genocide, Brutality ......

Remind you of anyone on this board?

Mathew 7:20

"By their works ye shall know them."

hkbajwa · 09-14-2006, 06:34 AM

Ok .. I can understand the frustration at not being able to acatch an enemy because of "rules".

But of course these "rules" are also what allow you to define terrorists as criminals.

If you claim that war has no rules, then it would be about time for you to stop your moral outrage at terrorist methods.

THe ONLY thing differing you from terrorists is the supposed rules of engagement installed to make your war humane. It is what gives americans killing civilians "legitimacy". The second the rules of engagement are scrapped, so is the legitimacy of the war against terror.

I think alias' primitve bloodlust is clearly of the same caliber as the bearded crazies. I think that if anybody bases their actions on the actions of others, then you are evadind responsibility. Fact is that bombing a funeral procession is a lousy act. EVEN IF every one in the processionwere terrorists, it would STILL be a lousy act.

Now i dunno, but as far as i know, two wrongs do not make a right. But you are of course free to act in such a way... but spare us the righteousness