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Old 09-16-2006, 08:30 AM   #71 (permalink)
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If you play by terrorist rules.. If you use terrorist actions to justify a terrorist response.. then you are no more than a terrorist.. You can only claim the moral high ground if your actions follow the moral high ground.
Yes, but there's also a point at which you say, "We're going to deal with this!"

If a mosque is filled with munitions, and the fundy terrorists are holed up in there, I say you take out the mosque. No question. And I'd say the same thing if I were a Catholic Priest and my church had been taken over by, and filled with violent gang members and their stock-piles of munitions.

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Old 09-16-2006, 09:18 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Hmm.... I don't suppose the issue of how to combat terrorists hiding in mosques, schools, hospitals, and other places of refuge has been discussed with the communities involved? Seems to me their input would be invaluable.

I agree that we cannot toss out the rules of war just because we have an unconventional enemy, because once we have done this, it would destroy whatever high moral ground we once stood upon. We need to remember to think about the consequences of our actions.
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No. You're not "discussing" it.
At least not "discussing" it in any way that constitutes a "discussion" to me.
You keep saying that you support killing them, but you do nothing to discuss the ACTUAL RULE we are talking about.

In fact, you have laid out rather interesting commentary on why we should "kill them" (as you put it), and I don't disagree that terrorists probably deserve death. I don't have any real problem with your "kill them" philosophy.

It's the "kill them WHEREVER" philosophy that gives me pause, and makes me wonder why we should mimic the worst of what terrorism has to offer.
Did you ever read a history book? We have always killed the enemy where we found them. It's called war. You can't defeat your enemy by giving him the advantage. That is what you are doing when you allow them to have sanctuaries. If America loses this war it will be directly because the bleeding hearts have caved in to the propaganda. Pure bullshit. Kill them where you find them. This moral high ground crap is for politicians. Soldiers fight wars, not politicians. Get the damn politics out of this fight and I assure you we will win. That is the goal.
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And soldiers are commanded by who? Hmm???
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And soldiers are commanded by who? Hmm???
Their commanding officer.
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Did you ever read a history book? We have always killed the enemy where we found them. It's called war.
There exists a RULE regarding not killing the enemy in certain places, and you insist that it's not the case...
And instead of proving your claim, all you do is say "read a history book"...

You are frequently completely underwhelming in your pretense that blind contradiction is somehow convincing.


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You can't defeat your enemy by giving him the advantage. That is what you are doing when you allow them to have sanctuaries.
In all seriousness, you claim to have to have members of your family in the military, and that you "couldn't" serve.
Have you ever bothered to ask them about what you are advocating?

I realize they may agree with your sentiment, but the fact that the military law CONTRADICTS what you talk about is the part you should realize.


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If America loses this war it will be directly because the bleeding hearts have caved in to the propaganda. Pure bullshit. Kill them where you find them.
Yeah. Cause it's the LIBERALS who make the MILITARY policy about not killing people in cemetaries...
Frequently, you blame the bad on liberals and the good on conservatives, without even bothering to think what the real issue at hand is.
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Hmm.... I don't suppose the issue of how to combat terrorists hiding in mosques, schools, hospitals, and other places of refuge has been discussed with the communities involved? Seems to me their input would be invaluable.

I agree that we cannot toss out the rules of war just because we have an unconventional enemy, because once we have done this, it would destroy whatever high moral ground we once stood upon. We need to remember to think about the consequences of our actions.
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Yes, but there's also a point at which you say, "We're going to deal with this!"

If a mosque is filled with munitions, and the fundy terrorists are holed up in there, I say you take out the mosque. No question. And I'd say the same thing if I were a Catholic Priest and my church had been taken over by, and filled with violent gang members and their stock-piles of munitions.

Buildings can be replaced.
But you see the method of breaking your own rules of engagement ultimately works against you.

If americans were allowed to continue the treatment of prisoners in abu ghraib the feeling against them would have increased and as a result so would the resistance. More terrorists would ahve been created and america would be in an even bigger hole than it is.

Stick to the moral high ground and LIVE by those rules and you will see the fruits of your labor. 80 % of the animosity towards the US is a direct result of perceived hypocrisy.

You are probably right.. the US could wipe out everybody against them, but is the necessarily the best way to go about it? Winning people's hearts is better than defeating their souls.
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There exists a RULE regarding not killing the enemy in certain places, and you insist that it's not the case...
And instead of proving your claim, all you do is say "read a history book"...

You are frequently completely underwhelming in your pretense that blind contradiction is somehow convincing.



In all seriousness, you claim to have to have members of your family in the military, and that you "couldn't" serve.
Have you ever bothered to ask them about what you are advocating?

I realize they may agree with your sentiment, but the fact that the military law CONTRADICTS what you talk about is the part you should realize.



Yeah. Cause it's the LIBERALS who make the MILITARY policy about not killing people in cemetaries...
Frequently, you blame the bad on liberals and the good on conservatives, without even bothering to think what the real issue at hand is.
These were not "people" in the cemetary. They were the enemy. If we had bombed all those idiots in the cemetary, who would be doing all the crying? Liberals or conservatives?

I love how you refuse to name the enemy. You keep referring to them as "citizens" or "people".
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