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Old 05-07-2005, 01:23 AM   #41 (permalink)
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

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Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Old 05-07-2005, 01:33 AM   #43 (permalink)
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Have you ever watched the new or listened to a State of the Union address?

Also I noticed you ignored my other questions...
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Have you ever watched the new or listened to a State of the Union address?

Also I noticed you ignored my other questions...
Do you really believe that is what sold the American people on the war? Comeon' man.

It was a barrage of "connection to 9/11" and "WMD's"
Old 05-07-2005, 01:59 AM   #45 (permalink)
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Have you ever watched the new or listened to a State of the Union address?

Also I noticed you ignored my other questions...
Do you really believe that is what sold the American people on the war? Comeon' man.

It was a barrage of "connection to 9/11" and "WMD's"
I will agree with that. I have said time and time again, we did the right thing for the wrong reason. But it was still the right thing.
Old 05-07-2005, 02:06 AM   #46 (permalink)
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Have you ever watched the new or listened to a State of the Union address?

Also I noticed you ignored my other questions...
Do you really believe that is what sold the American people on the war? Comeon' man.

It was a barrage of "connection to 9/11" and "WMD's"
I will agree with that. I have said time and time again, we did the right thing for the wrong reason. But it was still the right thing.

The lies have tarnished the men and women serving our country and our country in the eyes of the world.

Ultimately it will come back to haunt us.
Old 05-07-2005, 02:08 AM   #47 (permalink)
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First off, Operation Desert Shield/Storm ended with a cease fire and cease of hostilities. President Bush 41 in building the coaltion for the war, stated the purpose for the War as Removing Iraq from Kuwait. With that accomplished, all military units were forced to stop at the Euphrates river. Iraq agreed to the terms of the cease fire with the United States and its coalition with the United Nations.

No after how many UN resolutions Saddam ignored or violated, did the US return to war. Regardless of WMDs, preemption or whatever, Saddam's failure to comply with UN resolutions violated the cease fire of the Gulf War, this is not Gulf War II, but rather the completion of the Gulf War I for Saddam's failure to comply with the conditions of the cease fire ending hostilities.

dmk
Exactly. I hate it when people say "What there were no WMDs? Then why are we over there?" That is incredibly ignorant. Just because an evil man doing horrible things doesn't have any WMDs means we shouldn't go take him out? We should have just sat arounf and let this man thumbhis nose at us and the international community?

I think not.

We did the right thing, for the wrong reason. But it's still the right thing.
None of the reasons given to the american public turned out to be true. Not one of the many lies. The american public, and obviously many of you, ate it up. Every last bite.

He lied. And you can't accept it because of dumb pride and party affiliation.

Fucking pathetic.
I am not affiliated with any party, so that kills that theory.

None of the reason turned out to be true? What about the slaughter of Kurds? What about the fact that Sadaam was a horrid dictator?

Have you ever been to Iraq son? Have you ever served in any military unit? Have you ever served anything otherthan yourself?

Those are not reasons the American people were given to go to war with Iraq.
Have you ever watched the new or listened to a State of the Union address?

Also I noticed you ignored my other questions...
Do you really believe that is what sold the American people on the war? Comeon' man.

It was a barrage of "connection to 9/11" and "WMD's"
I will agree with that. I have said time and time again, we did the right thing for the wrong reason. But it was still the right thing.

The lies have tarnished the men and women serving our country and our country in the eyes of the world.

Ultimately it will come back to haunt us.
This I will agree with you on completely.
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A recruiter's job is a catch 21. They need to recruit personnel to fill the needs of the service. Most are E-6s or E-7s who are busting their hump for promotion to the next rank, it just so happens that recruiting duty is a great step for that promotion.

Since they are no longer operating in their primary military occupation specialy (MOS) how is their performance judged?? They are evaluated on the number of persons they recruit. That's how their performance is judged. Its a sheer game of numbers, and this puts the pressure on the recruiters, there are quotas they must fill, if they don't how do you think their evaluations look?

Everytime you turn around, you hear how this war is going badly, how its unjust, unnecessary, blah, blah, blah....Well the news carries this, and what do you think it does to those who might of been interested in joining, it quickly turns them against the idea.

Now, we see colleges wanting to prohibt recruiters from coming on campus. I say that if colleges don't want to let the recruiters on campus, fine, don't go there, nobody should be forced to allow someone where they are not wanted. Just follow the law, is all I say. Refuse the military recruiters and accept the government stopping all federal funding to the college.

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