Apparently, British police have taken advice from the Israelis on how to deal with potential suicide bombers. The policy is to put five shots in the head of the suspect if he/she does not obey police orders to stop etc if there is a risk that the suspect may detonate a bomb. The coroner has reported that the young Brazilan man who was killed was shot seven times in the head and once in the body. Whenever police in the UK kill anyone there is an independent inquiry to establish wether the killing was justified. Surprisingly, prominent Muslims are still backing the shoot to kill policy. I guess it is a very difficult situation.

His avatar is a bleedin anarchist flag! LOL That's a pretty good indicator.

I was talkin about hevusa thanks for the mockery tho.

While I am an anarchist sympathizer, no I'm not an anarchist.

And duuude, I'm only on the first page of this thread!

hahaha, ok.

You're very right, we cannot be humans without error. Of course people make mistakes; giving a select group of men guns and authority is a mistake in my eyes -- and the mistakes that men with guns and authority make tend to be more serious, as well.

But in a country where racial, class, and religious tensions exist, where diversity is rarely respected and the majority has a huge superiority complex, you bet the officials are going to round up a police force. The businessmen and the soccermoms need to be protected from illegal immigrants and homeless people.

As a part of the group of people who make this country "great", i.e. tax-paying, middle-class citizens -- blissfully ignorant subjects of capitalism -- these people want to feel protected, because they want to hold on to all the money and expensive things they've accumulated in their years in the United States. The media; advertisements play a big roll in convincing Americans that their material posessions are important (see any insurance ad).

Yes, a police force is created to aid in the protection of developing societies, but around whom is this society being constructed? What values do they hold? I can garuntee you that these people are not homeless, they're not desperate immigrants, they're not anti-american sympathizers, they're not workin' stiffs trying to reboot the system; and it doesn't matter who you are or what you do, you're still expected to play by the rules, even if it means constant struggle or utter dissatisfaction.

Free speech becomes void when you're focussing it on exposing the greedy and corrupt. There's always a threat of the year, and it's never been Wal-Mart or Procter & Gamble or the Lumber Industry, but communism and terrorism and radical activists who want to take your microwave away from you or some FOX news bullshit.

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So, without the police, who will you go to? Would you just curl up and die? Would you take necessary precautions to ensure your safety when exigent circumstance arise? That's your choice, man. If I'm being mugged in the streets and a cop just happens to come and help me, then kudos to him, not the police. If an average Joe comes and helps me, then kudos to him, not the police. Cops have more than one purpose, and aside from helping me when I'm being mugged on the streets, it's arresting me for doing something I shouldn't be doing according to his little black book.

So are you proposing that societies should be based off of homeless people and deperate immigrants? Do you really think people should leave their material posessions un protected?

You have a twisted world perspective dude...

No man. I think he is saying we need to look at the enemy within. It may be worse than any external source.

That's interesting because the BBC article that hevusa posted said the police asked him to stop or whatever and he ran down an escalator and tried to get into a subway car before being shot. Who knows what the real story is, but from both the versions I have read, it sounds like this death could have been avoided.

I heard on the radio they guy came out of a house that was under Surveillance for suspected terrorism. He was wearing a big heavy overcoat on a hot day, jumped the turnstile was told to stop by the police numerous times to stop. The police made the call that he was a suicide bomber jumped him and put 5 bullets in his brain.

If they didn't decide he was a suicide bomber, and he blew himself up killing 100 people in the underground you would be whinning that the police should have known and stopped him.

Suicide bombs are low tech, the Israeli's teach law enforcement the way to disarm an identifed suicide bomber is a bullet to the brain. If you were to shoot them in the chest or somewhere you risk setting the bomb off again killing innocents.

As Tragic as this shooting was, I think it was justified. You look like a suicide bomber, you act like a sucide bomber, and you run from the police
then you can die like one too.