Steama1973

I would like to hear your detailed thoughts

alias

It would help more if we were serious about doing the job. I don't think the administration was ready for the civil war that is going on between the 2 idiotic muslim factions. They are really quite stupid and maybe too stupid to take a country like Iraq into democracy. The muslim answer is if we can't agree, kill em. It seems to be whoever has the biggest gun over there. One thing we could do is start kicking some Iranian leaders in the nuts and killing some mullahs in Iran and Pakistan. We have too many politicians who are trying to fight a PC war and that will only lead to defeat. All those idiots know is violence as the solution. We have to be the ones with the biggest stick and use it. I think a couple well-place small nukes would go a long way to making peace. One in Damascus and one in Tehran.

Jefferson

I don't know that there's any way we can really say "yes" or "no".

There have not been any terrorist attacks on US soil since then, but there might not have been anyway.

Also, an American military presence - in the heart of the Muslim-controlled theocracies of the middle-East - does have us "on the ground" and at the center of things. But whether that really helps, or incurs more problems, is debatable.


One of the main problems is that, in the mind of Muslims, ANY attack of ANY country where there are Fundy Islamic Terrorists is seen as an attack on Islam itself. They don't see the invasion of Iraq as an attempt to rid the country of Saddam. They see it as an attack on Islam.

In the end, it's the "silent majority" of peaceful, moderate Muslims - Muslims who are themselves sick of the terrorists - who are going to have to rise up and deal with the problem.

alias

If you are a moderate peaceful muslim, you are in danger if you speak out. Talk about peer pressure.

foundit66

The war on Iraq has made the situation WORSE. Not better.
Proven by the government's own documents.


Spy Agencies Say Iraq War Worsens Terrorism Threat - New York Times

WASHINGTON, Sept. 23 — A stark assessment of terrorism trends by American intelligence agencies has found that the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown since the Sept. 11 attacks.

The classified National Intelligence Estimate attributes a more direct role to the Iraq war in fueling radicalism than that presented either in recent White House documents or in a report released Wednesday by the House Intelligence Committee, according to several officials in Washington involved in preparing the assessment or who have read the final document.

The intelligence estimate, completed in April, is the first formal appraisal of global terrorism by United States intelligence agencies since the Iraq war began, and represents a consensus view of the 16 disparate spy services inside government. Titled “Trends in Global Terrorism: Implications for the United States,’’ it asserts that Islamic radicalism, rather than being in retreat, has metastasized and spread across the globe.

An opening section of the report, “Indicators of the Spread of the Global Jihadist Movement,” cites the Iraq war as a reason for the diffusion of jihad ideology.

The report “says that the Iraq war has made the overall terrorism problem worse,” said one American intelligence official.

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alias

"said one American intelligence official".

Well hot damn man. One intelligence official said it and foundit agrees with him. That settles it folks. It's official. We have one intelligence official and one unintelligent official who agree. Whoooppeee do ding dong.

foundit66

You need to learn how to READ and not just what you want to read into things...
They talked to NUMEROUS intelligence officers as the basis of this report.
The QUOTE that you picked out was obviously made by ONE official, but there are NUMEROUS officials who back up the observations made in this report.

As usual, you run off half-cocked and shoot yourself in the foot without all the facts.

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alias

Why aren't you screaming and hollering about all the kidnappings and TORTURE taking place in Iraq? It's all over the media. I guess you're going to tell me you haven't noticed. There were no US soldiers accused so you don't care.

foundit66

Because everybody here KNOWS that is wrong and needs to be stopped.
If somebody were saying that was a good thing, I'd point out their idiocy.

Should I be arguing about something that nobody disagrees on???


(And note that Alias has ONCE AGAIN changed the subject...)

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alias

The topic is the war in Iraq and terrorism. Nothing was changed. What needs to be stopped? Torture? You hollered all over the place when the media accused US soldiers of torture and now we have news of Iraqis torturing people and not a peep. You're the guy always hollering about hypocrisy.