Defending the Truth

Right on!
Let the gay members be a part of ROTC, as there is no legitimate reason for denying their membership...

Oh wait.
Were we not talking about the same thing?

Gays can join the military. You're just angry because they can't prance around and stick it in your face. If you want to be a soldier, then be a soldier. If you want to be a fairy in a parade, then be a fairy in a parade. You can't have both. That is what you really want and all gays want. You want your cake and eat it too. Sorry, time to grow the hell up and put away the childish things and be a man or be a fairy. You can't have both.

Gays can "join the military" in much the same way that a person can go 80 MPH in a 65 MPH zone. They "can" do it as long as they don't get caught, because if they get caught, the law will be enforced.

And for gays, that means getting kicked out of the military.


No, alias, that's not it at all.
I left the military because I realized that I could get to 19 years and 364 days, and somebody could FIND OUT that I was gay and get me kicked out.

If what you REALLY wanted was just the "prancing around" gays to be removed, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
But can you point me to ANY gay that has been kicked out of the military for "prancing around" or "sticking it in your face"????
No.

They were JUST GAY, and somebody found out.


Oh yeah.
Getting back to that whole "freedom of association" thing...
That thing which you are now clearly violating...

Violating what? Violating some idiot's political correct politics? So what!

It's funny how it's a "right" when it comes to the straight members of the JROTC, but for a gay member it's suddenly just "politically correct".

Once again, you respect the rights of ONLY the people you approve of...

Gays are not forbidden to join JROTC. For that matter one's sexual preference is not even inquired about in JROTC, ROTC or the Military, hence the don't ask, don't tell policy. Furthermore, it is only in the Military where if one admits to being a homosexual of their own free will that they will be dismissed from the service.

As to your contention that the individuals are not being forbidden to join JROTC, that is based upon faulty logic. JROTC requires classrooms in which subjects based upon the military are taught and the school children earn credits for electives. In order to be a member one must attend the classes, as such, if the school bans the JROTC, they are banning the classes and without the classes the students would not be members of JROTC. So unless the children's parents move to another district, because of the requirement of attendance, the children are thus banned.

dmk

I'ld be curious to see that in writing regarding the JROTC.

As for the ROTC and the military, gays are forbidden even if it isn't "inquired about". Do you deny that?


"President Charles M. Vest has appointed a committee to investigate the policy that prohibits homosexuals from participating in the Reserve Officers' Training Corps. "
Vest appoints new group to study ROTC gay policy

"DOD Policy
The Department of Defense (DOD) policy on gays in the military also applies to ROTC. [1]"
ROTC Task Force Report: Section 2

You'll have to prove your claim...


1) JROTC requires ROOMS. Not "classrooms".
2) There is nothing in "freedom of association" which dictates that "credits for electives" must be distributed.
I could start up a "Gay Marching Band Corps" group in a high school, and kids would be "free" to associate with it, but I would have no "right" to demanding that "credits for electives" be honored.


You are stepping WAYYYY beyond the bounds of "freedom of association" right now. Freedom of association does not guarantee that a group will be able to give all the benefits it wants to, like "credits"...

Suppose my "Gay Marching Band Corps" were to insist that we meet in the principal's office at noon, and he refused. Does that mean he has acted against my freedom of association?

The fact is the rights of the students is being violated. Now they are not allowed to participate in JROTC because the homos are bullying. The government should not send the school district one dime of taxpayer money. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Again, the homos are denying the rights of the many for the agenda of the few. Freedom be damned.

It's funny to note that when you and Jefferson use phrases like "the fact is..." or "Period.", it invariably means it's a point you are incapable of defending, and have in fact lost if one examines the arguments.

I pointed out that the rights of the students ARE NOT being violated.
The students are still free to "associate" all they want.
You have shown no way in which their right to "associate", or any other right, is infringed upon.


No. They are not allowed to participate in the JROTC because the JROTC IS DISCRIMINATORY.
YOU can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't have an organization in school which discriminates against a group that has been clearly established as illegal for discrimination against.

Ergo, if the JROTC wants to be present in the school, they need to allow gays open service, just like they allow straights open service.


It's funny how you claim a "freedom" is denied when none is, yet you support the discrimination against gays.
You just want to pick and choose which "freedom" YOU want to "damn"...

Wrong again. Homos can join the military. Fact. You don't like the fact that they are not allowed to form a parade and prance around the military base. Tough. They are not allowed to do a lot of things detrimental to discipline and morale. Another case of your immaturity on display.