Thanks to the Bush administration, we will be attacked again

Mad Cow · 08-05-2005, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

What a load of crap and you know it hev.

You oppose the war, yeah we know that what else is new??? You oppose the Bush administration, yadda yadda yadda.

Remember this little piece of history, the Muslim faith has only dominated nation-states through conquest. bin Laden and all his cronies are no different, they fear the westernization of their countries. They wish to keep women in bondage and subservant to the men (hey where's the NOW), you complain so much about religion, yet they want their religion to rule the world.

They offered no real truce. Hell Saddam was never a religious fanatic, but rather a brutal tyrant. They wanted us out of Saudi Arabia, when the Kingdom invited us there to protect them from Iraq. I didn't see al-Queda in Serbia, when Muslims were being slaughtered, oh that's right, it was the US Military. I didn't see al-Queda in Moqadishu when warlords were starving Muslims, once again the US military.

But the one thing he said is true, we will never have peace until we wipe out terrorism. Its time to take the gloves off and begin a systematic mission of bombing the terrorist camps and hideouts reverting them back to the 4th century that they admire so damn much.

dmk

dmk, that is an excellent post.

onlyoneplanet · 08-05-2005, 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by hevusa

We have no right being over there and you know it. Our actions in the middle east have only made us less safe and more prone to attack. And it is all because of the dumbass administration you blindly defend.

Sounds like this article has made ol' sgtdmski nervous.

I am not nervous about a thing. I have been witness to history throughout my life. The rise from the ashes of Conservatism, the end of American malaise, the fall of the Soviet Union and the Berlin wall, and democracy in the Middle East. The domino theory at work. Of all the things I know and believe, I know that freedom has cost. But with freedom comes life, true life, not the day to day existence of getting by and not dying.

Many have talked about changing the world, but President Bush has started the change, much like President Reagan did with the Soviet Union. We are fighting against "insurgents" who wish to impose their views on the world. Including their religious beliefs and 4th century dogma, but then to someone who actually believes that socialism is a better form of government, that may not be such bad thing for you. I guess that is why you empathize so much.

dmk

Insurgents-- and they are just that. A guerilla resistance against the American occupation of their homeland. They don't wish to 'impose their views on the world', where did you get that load of bullshit from? FOX News? They're only wish is for the destructive American force to leave and you're making them out to be some sort of Nazi death squad.

Look at you bashing socialism like you think capitalism is actually healthy; look at America! Take your eyes of the glorious, amazing flag for a moment and just see what's happening in the world of the working class and in the world of every family who's just lost a loved one to an American bomb or bullet, and even in the natural world.

sgtdmski · 08-07-2005, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by onlyoneplanet

Insurgents-- and they are just that. A guerilla resistance against the American occupation of their homeland. They don't wish to 'impose their views on the world', where did you get that load of bullshit from? FOX News? They're only wish is for the destructive American force to leave and you're making them out to be some sort of Nazi death squad.

Look at you bashing socialism like you think capitalism is actually healthy; look at America! Take your eyes of the glorious, amazing flag for a moment and just see what's happening in the world of the working class and in the world of every family who's just lost a loved one to an American bomb or bullet, and even in the natural world.

Really I didn't know that Iraq was the homeland of an Iranian, Egyptian and Syrian. The so-called insurgents are sure a melting pot of people. But then of course they are all muslim and middleeastern. Al Qaeda has made clear that it is waging a war against the west. The WTC in 1993, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, the US embassies, and September 11th.

What has socialism ever really brought. The far-fetched notion that its the workers who give value to labor. To look at capitalism, we cannot really look at America. True capitalism has never been practiced here. We have a mixed economy. All the evils that have been prescribed to capitalism in this country, if you look closely, you will see that they arose from government intervention. We demonize business and capitalism, but through its limited use we have seen the standard of living of all rise. The difference between 1st world countries, and 2nd and 3rd world countries is capitalism. Freedom arises from the right to own property. Ford, Rockefellar,Vanderbilt, Carnegie, and even today Bill Gates have made the world a better place. They have provided means for us all to be healthier, happier, and more efficient. The workers may be the ones who make the products, but is the owners who risk capital to start the process. Without the idea, and the means of production, the worker can do nothing. In academics, athletics and the arts we applaud those who are outstanding. We celebrate those who are best at what they do, in every endeavor except business. Business and more importantly capitalism has been demonized long enough, for without them, where would this nation be. So yes, lets look at America. Its not perfect, but I don't see too many countries in which other people are literally dying to get into, do you???

dmk

hevusa · 08-07-2005, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

What has socialism ever really brought.

Compared to America? Longer vacations, higher literacy, lower crime, lower pollution, more equality, longer life span, multi party political systems, support for artists, better care of feed animals, lower cancer rates, etc.

aMFliberal · 08-07-2005, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by RidinHighSpeeds

Remember the tape of Osama Bin Laden right before election day??Remember he said their will be bloodshed if we don't leave Iraq??

Has this happened...nope.

Did Osama specify where the bloodshed would be? Because if he didn't, there's been plenty brotha.

aMFliberal · 08-07-2005, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

Many have talked about changing the world, but President Bush has started the change, much like President Reagan did with the Soviet Union.

Can we please stop giving Ronald Reagan ALL the credit for bringing down the Soviet Union? You make it sound like no one gave two shits about the Soviet Union until Reagan rolled around and realized they needed to go. That's not true at all. Reagan was the man at the end, and yes he deserves credit, much of it...but not all of it.

onlyoneplanet · 08-07-2005, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by sgtdmski

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Originally Posted by onlyoneplanet

Insurgents-- and they are just that. A guerilla resistance against the American occupation of their homeland. They don't wish to 'impose their views on the world', where did you get that load of bullshit from? FOX News? They're only wish is for the destructive American force to leave and you're making them out to be some sort of Nazi death squad.

Look at you bashing socialism like you think capitalism is actually healthy; look at America! Take your eyes of the glorious, amazing flag for a moment and just see what's happening in the world of the working class and in the world of every family who's just lost a loved one to an American bomb or bullet, and even in the natural world.

Really I didn't know that Iraq was the homeland of an Iranian, Egyptian and Syrian. The so-called insurgents are sure a melting pot of people. But then of course they are all muslim and middleeastern. Al Qaeda has made clear that it is waging a war against the west. The WTC in 1993, the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, the US embassies, and September 11th.

What has socialism ever really brought. The far-fetched notion that its the workers who give value to labor. To look at capitalism, we cannot really look at America. True capitalism has never been practiced here. We have a mixed economy. All the evils that have been prescribed to capitalism in this country, if you look closely, you will see that they arose from government intervention. We demonize business and capitalism, but through its limited use we have seen the standard of living of all rise. The difference between 1st world countries, and 2nd and 3rd world countries is capitalism. Freedom arises from the right to own property. Ford, Rockefellar,Vanderbilt, Carnegie, and even today Bill Gates have made the world a better place. They have provided means for us all to be healthier, happier, and more efficient. The workers may be the ones who make the products, but is the owners who risk capital to start the process. Without the idea, and the means of production, the worker can do nothing. In academics, athletics and the arts we applaud those who are outstanding. We celebrate those who are best at what they do, in every endeavor except business. Business and more importantly capitalism has been demonized long enough, for without them, where would this nation be. So yes, lets look at America. Its not perfect, but I don't see too many countries in which other people are literally dying to get into, do you???

dmk

So what hard evidence do you have of Syrian and Iranian involvement with the insurgency? If you do have that evidence, then can you tell me how much of the insurgency is made up of Syrians, Iranians, and Egyptians? I can gartuntee you that the vast majority of the resistance is made up of Iraqis, but I don't doubt that foreign volunteers have joined them.

What does Al-Qaeda have to do with the Iraqi insurgency? Last I checked, those were two separate issues. The Iraqi resistance is made up of people who want independance, not people holding a life-long grudge against America.

American capitalism doesn't just celebrate those who're good at what they do, it worships them by smothering them in capital. What good is that for the workers? A growing business doesn't raise wages and offer benefits, a growing business hires more workers. Bussinessmen who're good at what they do are only that good because they'll push compassion and humanitarianism aside to expand their businesses, and still the people remain their loyal syncophants. Who cares if they risk capital to start the process, is that something to be honored? They can plant a garden, they can provide mutual aid, they can be open and friendly with their community instead of trying to protect their week's wages from decent people. Banks are complication, taxes are complication, checks and credit cards are complication, and life is so simple. Look at America, look at how lazily complacent we've become. Look at the cars we drive and the food we eat, look at the houses we live in, it's ridiculous.

What makes all of this possible? Exploitation and oppression.

aMFliberal · 08-07-2005, 08:54 PM

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"If you continue your politics against Muslims, you will see, God willing, such horror that you will forget the horrors of Vietnam."

...clearly trying to play on the emotions of Americans...they even suck at propaganda...

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"Didn't Osama bin Laden tell you that you would never dream of peace until we actually live it in Palestine and before all the infidel armies withdraw from the land of Mohammed?"

...nah sorry, didn't get the memo

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"Instead (of accepting the truce), you spilled rivers of blood in our countries, and we exploded volcanoes of anger in your countries."

...ok seriously go home, did you get that from a cheesy movie or crappy video game? I laughed my ass off when I read this...exploded volcanoes of anger...

Sorry, I had to have my fun.

Why does everyone get so huffed and puffed over some propaganda? Certainly more attacks are possible but how probable are they? That's what we can not gauge. So we can't say with any certainty that more attacks are going to happen just as we can't say with any certainty that more attacks are not going to happen.

I think the bigger picture here is that this is a result of entering Iraq in the first place. The United States was attacked on 9/11/01. We know who was responsible. These are the same people making the threats in the article we just read. So where does Iraq fit into this picture? All we've given them is the opportunity to kill westerners...which is what they are hell bent on doing in the first place.

cansouth · 04-07-2006, 11:25 AM

Some of the videos which are supposed to be from Al-Zawahiri are fake.

Some of the persons on the videos are not al-Zawahiri.

Photo from one fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:

Photo from another fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:

Photo from another video. This is probably also not Al-Zawahiri:

Another fake video:

The real, authentic al-Zawahiri looks like this, I think:

Nebraskaboy · 04-12-2006, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by cansouth

Some of the videos which are supposed to be from Al-Zawahiri are fake.

Some of the persons on the videos are not al-Zawahiri.

Photo from one fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:

Photo from another fake video. It is not Al-Zawahiri:

Photo from another video. This is probably also not Al-Zawahiri:

Another fake video:

The real, authentic al-Zawahiri looks like this, I think:

There is a Conspiracy theory thread for this crap, just so you know.