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Old 12-27-2006, 12:17 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well Alias, I tried my hand at sarcasm...guess I don't wear that too well, huh?

This that I wrote though is to me the heart of the matter:


The man was already elected by the Minnesota voters in the 5th District. They voted a Muslim man into office. Now you think he ought to be made to be sworn into office on a book he does not believe in? What does that say to a watching world?

And worst of all, the absolute worst of all, is that men have sworn on the Bible countless times, and yet not believed its contents, not lived their lives or practiced their role as statesmen by the tenets set forth in its pages.

Its time to do away with swearing in on any kind of "holy book" imho...
Either as a believer, let your light so shine before men, by being an open book in how you live, or don't be a believer and demonstrate to the people, the ethics and value system that you do live by.

And once the people vote, guess they are electing who represents their own principles best.

Here, I will even throw this out to you, and that using a man you would disdain. Did President Clinton swear on the Bible? And in his inaugural speech, did he not clearly repeat verses from its text? Do you think the ship stayed afloat while he was in office because somehow he was appropriating the Word of God in his official duties because he put his hand on the Bible?

Any problem in this country, any problem at all, is not solved by what book is used to swear someone into office, is not solved by statesmen who are most aptly called "representatives"...

The problems in our country are those found in the lives of the average Joe Citizen...
if swearing on the quaran is such a point in a new downward spiralling trend of America at its best, then the problem if it is a problem is found in the minds of those who chose to vote for a practicing Muslim.

I really do wonder what you think is worse...a man who believes in a false God, or a man who claims to believe in the true God but then dethrones the true God to establish his own reign of power politics.

OD

PS...as an added thought, how would you feel if an atheist wanted to be sworn in using the book, The Blind Watchmaker?
I see you point and noted. Very good point. I would not mind him beling a muslim if islam were so wonderful to others. It is not. Islam does not play well with others.
Old 12-27-2006, 01:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I see you point and noted. Very good point. I would not mind him beling a muslim if islam were so wonderful to others. It is not. Islam does not play well with others.
SOME Muslims do not play well with others.
MOST Muslims teach that their religion CONDEMNS the violent radicals that abuse their religion in the name of terror.

If the elected official utilizes his religion in a peaceful manner, what the heck do the actions of other zealots have to do with his observance of his religion?


Does the fact that the KKK and the Nazis abuse Christianity to espouse their bigotry mean that Christianity is degraded, or that the Bible shouldn't be used?
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Old 12-27-2006, 02:15 PM   #13 (permalink)
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SOME Muslims do not play well with others.
MOST Muslims teach that their religion CONDEMNS the violent radicals that abuse their religion in the name of terror.

If the elected official utilizes his religion in a peaceful manner, what the heck do the actions of other zealots have to do with his observance of his religion?


Does the fact that the KKK and the Nazis abuse Christianity to espouse their bigotry mean that Christianity is degraded, or that the Bible shouldn't be used?
The KKK and nazis are not the topic. Comparing a mountain to a mole hil does not make your argument right. You do that a lot.

Muslims do not play well with others and that is a fact. Everywhere islim is the dominant religion, other religions are persecuted and oppressed and murdered. How many muslim school girls have Christians beheaded lately?
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The KKK and nazis are not the topic. Comparing a mountain to a mole hil does not make your argument right. You do that a lot.
1) So, by your thinking, just because Islam has "more" examples than Christianity that somehow makes the blind generalization more accurate?
We can ignore the fact that the VAST MAJORITY of Muslims are not radical terrorist extremists, and condemn the WHOLE GROUP based on the actions of a few???

2) The Nazis killed MILLIONS during the holocaust because of "Christ". Hardly a "mole hill".

3) The "mountain" and "mole hill" are actually the fact that the mole hill is the radical terrorist extremists, and the mountain are the MUCH LARGER number of Muslims who are not like that.
You want the existence of the mole hill to overshadow the mountain.


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Muslims do not play well with others and that is a fact.
No. That is not a fact.
SOME Muslims do not play well with others.


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=Everywhere islim is the dominant religion, other religions are persecuted and oppressed and murdered.
Where Islam is the dominant religion WITH THE RELIGION INTERTWINED WITH THE GOVERNMENT, that would be more accurate.
It's an argument for separation of church and state in general, with the Nazis being a demonstration of what can happen if Christianity is intertwined with government.


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How many muslim school girls have Christians beheaded lately?
I acknowledge this is atrocious.
It's just that YOU don't seem to want to admit that the MUSLIM response to this is to point out that the action is CONDEMNED by their religion.
Instead, you want to BLAME their religion. You want to claim they did it BECAUSE OF their religion just like the Muslims do.
Why do you support the terrorists like that?
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:23 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Bull. The Nazis did not kill millions because of Chrsit. That is pure bull. They killed millions in the name of a pure race. Try again.
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The idea that the Nazis were killing people "in the name of Christ" is about the most idiotic and childish idea anybody could promote. It is nothing less than absolutely STUPID.
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The idea that the Nazis were killing people "in the name of Christ" is about the most idiotic and childish idea anybody could promote. It is nothing less than absolutely STUPID.


Totally with you on that Jefferson!
And it ought to be noted that Hitler would have raged his depraved and evil plans no matter what book he might have ever stuck his hands on too...

That is my only point. As a Christian I don't identify with a book, especially with the cowhide used to bind it, but as a Christian I identify with the person of Jesus Christ.

I neither get a comfortable feeling seeing a man swear an oath on a Bible or an unrest in my soul if a man swears on some other book.



And back to Christians and Muslims and who has shown this world a greater threat, here is a link:
http://www.whomurdered.ytmnd.com/
Who knows, it might just be more propaganda to be argued about, but I will post it just the same, cos I came across it some months ago, and was sort of surprised.

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Catholics are only a part of all Christians so I don't think your link is a good one to compare.
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Catholics are only a part of all Christians so I don't think your link is a good one to compare.


Alias, what a fair man you are.

Yes, adding ALL Christians to that number instead of limiting it to Catholics, is certain to make the number rise.

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Alias, what a fair man you are.

Yes, adding ALL Christians to that number instead of limiting it to Catholics, is certain to make the number rise.

OD
Yes, and to be even more fair, Christians have killed to defend what is theirs. Muslims kill to force people to believe or to invade. Christians did not start the current war we are in. Muslims did. Those were not Baptists flying those planes on 9/11. Those are not Lutherans bombing people every day and commiting suicide to murder others. They are muslims.
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