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Old 02-09-2007, 11:51 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I for one, can respect the men and women in the Armed Forces and not believe their acting out of the heart of a thug.
But, I think this is more to say what the government does...makes its military into so much dispensible lives for the thuggish notions OF THE GOVERNMENT.

...Not to be confused with individuals who wish to see liberals burn slowly, I presume.

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lol you say the nicest things...
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Old 02-09-2007, 12:09 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I am in the Military, and not only do I NOT take any offense, I actually really like the video. I passed it on to some friends.
Great. I am glad to find someone that is brave enough to stand up for his country..thank you...
but i am a Army veteran as well, and when i was in there we had a since of national pride (not saying you don't) and would get pissed if anyone put this nation down.
what we all need to understand is America is not the braindead SOBs in DC, America is the people, such as you and I and the rest of this country, so when anti-American statements are aired like this, the world is not thinking of the goverment ...they are thinking of you and I...

Let me ask all of you this, if someone in your family does something really bad,,,,do you go out in the streets and tell everyone about it,,,,NO i would hope not, but you would take that person aside and make walk the right path, right???? so why can't we do the same for this country...do you see what i am saying...think about it.
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Old 02-09-2007, 01:10 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Great. I am glad to find someone that is brave enough to stand up for his country..thank you...
but i am a Army veteran as well, and when i was in there we had a since of national pride (not saying you don't) and would get pissed if anyone put this nation down.
what we all need to understand is America is not the braindead SOBs in DC, America is the people, such as you and I and the rest of this country, so when anti-American statements are aired like this, the world is not thinking of the goverment ...they are thinking of you and I...

Let me ask all of you this, if someone in your family does something really bad,,,,do you go out in the streets and tell everyone about it,,,,NO i would hope not, but you would take that person aside and make walk the right path, right???? so why can't we do the same for this country...do you see what i am saying...think about it.
Well A-1, not that you were suggesting that to me, but I did too think about it. And I do not see what you are saying. The government is too big, too powerful and too impersonal and unreacheable to "take aside"...the only way to confront it is to go public.

It is not that I wouldn't love to "take aside" the President and this administration, but you know, I can't get him to pick up the dadgum phone, let alone come over for my famous spinach pizza and a Sobe.

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Great. I am glad to find someone that is brave enough to stand up for his country..thank you...
but i am a Army veteran as well, and when i was in there we had a since of national pride (not saying you don't) and would get pissed if anyone put this nation down.
what we all need to understand is America is not the braindead SOBs in DC, America is the people, such as you and I and the rest of this country, so when anti-American statements are aired like this, the world is not thinking of the goverment ...they are thinking of you and I...

Let me ask all of you this, if someone in your family does something really bad,,,,do you go out in the streets and tell everyone about it,,,,NO i would hope not, but you would take that person aside and make walk the right path, right???? so why can't we do the same for this country...do you see what i am saying...think about it.
I complain about America to better the nation, not to destroy it. We've got a good thing going on, but as illustrated, we've strayed too far from our values.
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Old 02-10-2007, 01:24 AM   #15 (permalink)
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just plain brilliant.. clearly summarises the overtly hypocritical foreign policy stances that the US administrations have adopted over the past couple of decades.

I mean it is in fact precisely this type of contradictory policies that is making other nations increasingly wary of making any deals with the american government.

However every type of thug is willing to sell his people to the US for power. Like Zia did in Pakistan. He suppressed the pakistani population, empowered the mullahs and violently squashed any opposition ( Saddam style) with AMERICAN DOLLARS.

So forgive me for being part of the increasing world population that doesn't trust the US. As far as i'm concerned, ANY US led action in MY country has had nothing but damaging and regressive consequences that have compromised human rights, free speech and our sovereignty.
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Old 02-10-2007, 01:31 AM   #16 (permalink)
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That said, i am not laying all the blame on the US. The CORE problem is still that we have a political class consisting of feudal lords, crooks and thugs here in Pakistan.

In order to progress Pakistan still has a lot of housecleaning to do, and the people of Pakistan really need to get their act together.

However US involvement have ASSISSTED these crooks to remain in power and exploit the common man. From providing huge sums to the Zia regime to train and deploy the forces that were to become the Taliban, to pushing through IMF loans to assist Nawaz Sharif in passing an amendment to grant him executive powers for life ( luckily he was removed by a military coup), US involvement has invariably spelled disaster for the process of democracy and equality in this nation.
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This started long before Pakistan and Iraq, back when the United States granted Cuba independence and endorsed Batista, then later Castro until he tricked us and turned communist. There are dozens of examples, Iran being the most well known.
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Well A-1, not that you were suggesting that to me, but I did too think about it. And I do not see what you are saying. The government is too big, too powerful and too impersonal and unreacheable to "take aside"...the only way to confront it is to go public.

It is not that I wouldn't love to "take aside" the President and this administration, but you know, I can't get him to pick up the dadgum phone, let alone come over for my famous spinach pizza and a Sobe.

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P.S. I respect your choice to change your sig. I feel much more at ease with you, Sir.
I did that for two reasons,1, you ask me too, and @ because you havn't attack me like the others has..

Now back to work.This goverment needs to learn as well as all of us needs to learn."WE the American people are the leaders of this country not them.
right now if enough people show up in DC demanding that BUSH should step down,,well he would have too.I agree we need to do something about this cowardly and crooked goverment,But since i am a veteran, I can think of only one way."take up arms and take this country back, have every crooked office holding SOB thrown in jail, and fed bread and water..""
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That said, i am not laying all the blame on the US. The CORE problem is still that we have a political class consisting of feudal lords, crooks and thugs here in Pakistan.

In order to progress Pakistan still has a lot of housecleaning to do, and the people of Pakistan really need to get their act together.

However US involvement have ASSISSTED these crooks to remain in power and exploit the common man. From providing huge sums to the Zia regime to train and deploy the forces that were to become the Taliban, to pushing through IMF loans to assist Nawaz Sharif in passing an amendment to grant him executive powers for life ( luckily he was removed by a military coup), US involvement has invariably spelled disaster for the process of democracy and equality in this nation.
I am sorry, I could not heard you over the shouts of your countryman wanting more US dollars and other aide.

Here is a fact for you...if you and your countryman want the US out of your country,well stop taking our money and tell them to go. and they will, if not then you will have to do the same thing Americans need to do about illegals....make them leave..I am not sure why we are in your country and I don't see what your country has to offer the US.but I think we should pack up today and let y'all kill each other...but that won't work, because all your liberal buddies will be wanting the Us to come back and save y'all yet again, and pass out even more money and aide..
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I did that for two reasons,1, you ask me too, and @ because you havn't attack me like the others has..

Now back to work.This goverment needs to learn as well as all of us needs to learn."WE the American people are the leaders of this country not them.
right now if enough people show up in DC demanding that BUSH should step down,,well he would have too.I agree we need to do something about this cowardly and crooked goverment,But since i am a veteran, I can think of only one way."take up arms and take this country back, have every crooked office holding SOB thrown in jail, and fed bread and water..""
We have laws in place for this reason so we don't have to 'take up arms'. It's called impeachment, and even though the majority of Americans want impeachment, the Democrats are spineless (big surprise, huh?) and refuse to do this by claiming "it's a waste of time". Oh, and the Republicans of coarse oppose it because they're all rubber-stampers. Even if they might personally oppose this administration they'll still defend it.
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