Defending the Truth

B/S, dude your country and your people were in the shitter way before the US was ever there. I have you peg as someone who blames others for you own down fall..
Now i will agree that the US should get out of your country, and stay out even if/when India comes marching across your borders...I bet you will be crying for help than.....

Well you see those shouts are from the despicable sell-outs who will sell our nation to america for dollars in their own trust funds. These trust funds help them stay in power. Sort of like how the Shah was kept in power in Iran, Zia was kept in power in Pakistan, Saddam In iraq ( before he told you to fuck off), Noriega in Nicaragua ( or whichever central american state he was from), King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia etc etc.

Money talks and the US makes sure it keep giving plenty to those who will sell their country for their own personal benefit.

I agree that this is FIRST AND FOREMOST a FAILURE of the local populations. But the US is certainly not doing what it claims it is here to do.. which is to spread DEMOCRACY. In fact they fund several miltary dictators and tyrants to suppress their own populations ( see above list). WAY TO STRIKE A BLOW FOR DEMOCRACY.. Well done America.. Well done indeed.

Oh and yeah the US backing off is sure to cause civil unrest, but at leat the crooks at the top will not be financed by the US. That's always a good start for democracy.

Frankly i am in favor of a reunification of India and Pakistan.

However note the following..

1) Pakistan has nukes now so we don't need the US to keep India from invading.
2) the US has actually STOPPED military supplies to Pakistan after the Nuke test ( so America can go f*** itself in terms of our domestic defense)
3) Pakistan won't need the US EVEN IF the Indians were crazy enough to invade ( they've been beaten back before.. with hockey sticks, stones and a MUCH SMALLER army)
4) Even if India attacks, Iran, Eqypt, Syria, Libya, CHINA and a few other nations would rush to Pakistani aid. So even if the US gets lost, we still have plenty of firm allies to support us.
5) Of course if the US turns AGAINST pakistan ( The US is quite famous for its turncoat foreign policies) we might have a big fight on our hands, but lets face it, the US can't even handle Iraq, what the hell is it going to do against the 5th most populous nation in the world?

Oh so America can go F, it's self,wow just like the arabs and the illegals, you are so damn ungratefull.
all you people do is beg for help and then you turn on the ones that are helping you..but I guess that what you get from a third world shithole.

The iraqie war is not being done right,oh that right, it's not a war it a liberal police action. now if you remember there tuff guy, the war took less than a week, and no army was made to do police action.
so that means that pakistan would last....2 days if y'all can run really fast.

now wait, if you have beaten them off with (ha ha) hockey sticks, now why would you need all those third world countries to come to your aide.
hell all we have to do is stop all aide to you and you would fold inside a day or two.
I just wonder now if your (haha) country is attacked, are you and your boys going hide behind woman and children, like your arab brothers do.

well this has been real great,I sure hope you don't lose your cable connection to that cave you live in,cause i really like talking to a real tuffass wannabe. arab.but you might want get a few liberals to help you.

I sorry that wasn't nice of me..oh well we all can't be liberal..please stay in contact with me, cause everybody knows just have much i like arabs.

How do we take our politicians aside? I think one of our greatest strengths is that we do air our own dirty laundry, and that we embrace an open forum for free debate and discussion of differing opinions.

I love my country and I get upset when I see it get put down too, but I am realistic, and I know that the truth often hurts. I believe the most patriotic thing a citizen can do is to make an earnest effort to right wrongs, and part of that is through education. People have to understand what is wrong, and why it is wrong. It's nice to get a different perspective on things.

This is the point I was trying to make.

I have to agree here... I think we invaded the wrong 'stan'. 90% of Afghanistan's problems stem from Pakistan... Pakistan can't complain about anyone elses corruption until they clean up their own.

Big talk from a third world shithole...

I have to agree here... I think we invaded the wrong 'stan'. 90% of Afghanistan's problems stem from Pakistan... Pakistan can't complain about anyone elses corruption until they clean up their own.

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Pakistan is the most powerful military force in the country with a standing army of one million. It's also a nuclear power

It would be a mistake to think the US, or anyone else , could stroll in a la Afghanistan

Well i have to agree there too. Pakistan is woefully corrupt, infiltrated by extremist elements at certain levels and a downright crappy nation in many respects.

But i hardly think it's fair to lay all the blame of afghnistan on Pakistan.

As you may remember, Zia ul Haq's military dictatorhsip was funded and supported by the US government, inspite of the fact that he raped the nation, crushed free speech, infused fundamentalist propoganda into our very school curriculum, gave authoritative powers to the mullahs through the Hudood Ordinance, eliminated all political consciousness in the population, and basically took pakistan back several decades in terms of development.

Why did the US support his cruel regime? The answer is the war in afghanistan. When the Soviets invaded, the US found a pliable general in Zia, and used him to establish training camps, supply ammunition and fund the Mujahedin. This is where OBL came from. THis is also where the Taliban came from.

Why did they have to use the radical muslims to fight this fight. Well because the atheistic nature of communism was such an anathema to the mullahs in Pakistan ( who had just been through a socialist government at the time) that they were the only ones willing to give their lives.

SO technically in the interest of defeating COMMUNISM, the US inadvertently funded the very movement that is causing them huge problems NOW.

I feel embarassed to admit that a pakistani leader was the US's bitch.. but greed will make a bitch of anyone, and Zia was greedy for money and power.

Anyhow, to say that pakistan is the main cause of problems in afghnistan is false in two ways:

1) Firstly, the funding, training, arming and deployment of the taliban ( then known as mujahedin) was done at the behest of the US and with US MONEY and US ARMS.
2) Pakistan suffers more than any other nation (other than afghanistan itself) from unrest in afghanistan. Pakistan currently supports the WORLD LARGEST REFUGEE POPULATION. More than 3 million afghani REFUGEES live in pakistan.. not immigrants, not working people, not positive influences, but REFUGEES who have no assets, very little or no skill, and no money. FOrget Pakistan handling these people.. can you imagine how the US would fare if it suddenly had to tackle 3 million refugees. They are a HUGE burden.

As you very rightly have stated, Pakistan is a thrid world nation. Exactly what interest would a third world nation have in creating more refugees to take care of?

Musharraf has done everything he can to keep the afghans on their side of the border including military offensives in the Waziristan region. Pakistan in any case does not have great relations with Kabul, and afghnistan has no strategic interest for Pakistan.

I don't get where you have the idea that 90% of afghani problems stem from pakistan. That is quite simply not true. Pakistan is helping the US in the fight in afghanistan, and anything pkaistan may have done in the past was a direct order of the US.