Defending the Truth

I don't see how this is supposedly okay behavior yet it's a national outrage to recruit gay people.

Is it just the Army? If it is, then why not the other branches? To me it would seem this would be more of a problem in the special forces, or the Marine Corps.

My knowledge of it, firsthand, was observing the material readily available in places that members of the Air Force would frequent.

Now I know. I know. That is not to say that the Air Force was condoning a white supremacy agenda, but it is to say that the supply of material on it must have come into the base by a certain number of airmen that were interested in such stuff.

I don't want to paint with too wide a brush though, cos otherwise I would have to say that everyone in Arkansas has stockpiled food in the woods and set land mines on their property. And it just isn't so...

I do imagine that the present administration's "War on Terror" is a field day of training made available and that with an income too, for anyone interested in learning some pretty tricky ways to kill people and cover your tracks.

And you know where you would NOT find these Aryan types? In the Peace Corp. I wonder what would happen in the whole wide world if we did suddenly change our cues and turn our military into a peace corp. Someone has to be the first to disarm. But if we took such a brave step as that, would our service to others be more noteable and no one would want to hurt a nation of such a military as that.

I know, some think that I have my head in the clouds, or somewhere's else!!! But there will not ever be an end to war, if someone is not brave enough to be the first to disarm.

OD

Militant members of groups like the Aryan Nations don't typically see action in the navy or air force. The marines and army are largely ground based, and as one member said in the article to the link Intangible provided, they perceive an impending race war to be similar to Iraq.

I don't think many people want them in Iraq, because they complicate things even worse than most PMCs. When it comes to homosexuality, there are plenty of openly homophobic people, but almost nobody openly advocates naziism. They're the American counterpart of Al Qaeda, sneaking in and causing unneeded trouble. They want in, but if we want to truly end terrorism and restore stability to Iraq, we can't promote infiltration within our own ranks.

Are any of you guys currently military? Frankly, in my experience, people I've known who went into the military had the racism and supremacism crap beaten out of them by training, reality, and working closely with guys and gals of other origins. OD, you may have seen lots of material of people hoping to recruit young guys into their beliefs, their lunacy, if you will. But that doesn't necessarily mean they succeed. It also doesn't mean that anyone who reads that stuff is going to be convinced of anything at all.

I've read the Communist Manifesto, and I'm still not communist. I've read all sorts of stuff, including witchcraft stuff, and I still am not a devil worshiper or witch. I don't hold with any of it, just curious. I've read all sorts of stuff. Doesn't mean I buy it, and it doesn;t mean young guys in the military buy it either.

I'm certain there are people who WANT them to, but the miliary is a great leveler. People learn tolerance and acceptance of others when they are working with them, and when they are helping each other, depending on each other as they must to survive in the military.

You must have missed this!

"Whoever controls the volume of money in any country is absolute master of all industry and commerce." ~ James A. Garfield

"A power has risen up in the government greater than the people themselves, consisting of many and various powerful interests, combined in one mass, and held together by the cohesive power of the vast surplus in banks."~ John C. Calhoun

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." ~ J. Edgar Hoover


"We shall have World Government,whether or not we like it.The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent." ~ James Paul Warburg; Foreign Agent of the Rothschild Dynasty, major player in the Federal Reserve Act

When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent. ~ Isaac Asimov

"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."
~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

"The greatest purveyor of violence on earth is my own government" ~ Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Well, it has NOTHING to do with the subject.

That's on an individual level. I'm familiar with philosophies ranging from primitivist to nihilist and I'm not affected by most, but there are angry, terrified people looking for some sort of reasoning, and unfortunately, these supremacists offer easy yet simplistic, logically flawed, and dangerous answers. Why do you think Hitler was such a big overnight success in the first place? People were poor, hungry, and desperate, and they would have turned to anybody who promised order. No doubt some of these white supremacists start listening to reason when they go in and see reality, but they go in expecting tolerance to be poured down their throats, so often times they become more stubborn.

The point isn't the spread of ideas through the armed forces. It's not at an epidemic level. Recruiters aren't converting whole platoons to their ideolology. It's the introduction of the people who really have no aim to protect the country. They want to learn ways to kill for criminal reasons, and often times they will break the law by stockpiling weapons and shipping them home. They're not soldiers. They're parasites. This isn't patriotism to them, it's training.

Soldiers also act as de facto diplomats. They represent us, and if they misbehave, we're all viewed negatively. Do you want the reputation of this country in the hands of somebody who reminds you of the movie American History X? Granted, they often keep it under wraps, but their views guarantee that they won't be all too concerned for the welfare of the average Iraqi civilian.

If you have some clue or documentation as to how many there are, and where they are coming from, that's one thing, but the way this thread reads is an indictment of the military.

If you are talking about a vague "some" then perhaps it's possible all sorts of things happen.

We have a huge voluntary military force that is doing wonders around the world. Many of them are coming back badly wounded. Adding insult to that by vague suggestions like this is frankly not very nice.

IF the misbehave, they stand trial and are punished. That includes officers.

There's no guarantee people in your own neighborhood won't do something criminal, so understand, there's never going to be any guarantee people won't misbehave. I trust our boys in the military more than I trust lots of folk I find online. I can, at least, see them.

Vharlow, I never meant to dissuade you or anyone else reading from a respect for the military personnel. However, that said, I do not think that simply because you feel their work is necessary to your political ideas of how to remedy terror, that they are decidedly of a higher moral fiber or immune to the false theories of white supremacy or other divisive ideologies...
And I did also live among military personnel for a chunk of years, and know that as much as a mission may unite folk and cross those false barriers of race, sex, creed, and persuasion...there are also strains of racist thought, bigotry toward folk for any number of reasons, and a high and mighty attitude that is as pervasive in military institutions as in any other.
I do not want to write this to hurt anyone's feelings. So if you are in the military, do not take this personally. And if you are black do not take this personally.
But I heard it said by a man who was in the service one night, as he was putting his trash can to the road for waste management to pick up, "Well I'm feedin' the N!&&#*$ tonight!" with a satisfied and cold countenance.
What a terrible thing to say! And yet, I am sure this same man must have worked side by side with people of color. So what was that?
A monster can wear a uniform, just as much as any other clothes.
So again, in the interest of equality, we see the field leveled again. People in the military are not somehow any better or worse than the Average Joe Citizen. And may well prove to be valiant and we do commend such character, but may also demonstrate small-mindedness and we do grieve that it be so.

OD