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Old 01-29-2007, 02:15 PM   #21 (permalink)
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If you have some clue or documentation as to how many there are, and where they are coming from, that's one thing, but the way this thread reads is an indictment of the military.

If you are talking about a vague "some" then perhaps it's possible all sorts of things happen.
At last count, in 2006, it was estimated that they numbered around 2,000 - 3,000, and that doesn't even include, as I call them, "casual" racists, who never make their beliefs as big an issue, join hate groups, or have a political & social agenda, but simply express prejudiced viewpoints.

And this isn't an indictment of the military. If anything it's an indictment of recruiters, who are becoming more and more indiscriminant. Usually, people with identifying tattoos from any gang were automatically discharged, but now they have unrealistic quotas to fill. There has to be more regulation in military recruitment and less pressure on them to break the rules. Aside from that, we need to step up actions to curb not only membership of white supremacists in the armed forces, but expand the concept of benevolence by putting a stop to atrocities and crimes against Iraqis, which I have no doubt many of these people are doing.
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If they even sneeze against an Iraqi they will wind up in prison. There is too much hostile media there, and indeed, media that manufactures stories practically made to order for our anti american media.
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If they even sneeze against an Iraqi they will wind up in prison. There is too much hostile media there, and indeed, media that manufactures stories practically made to order for our anti american media.
Dammit, my last post didn't go through. I don't have time to retype it, so I'll just say that there is a lot more to Iraq than meets the eye, as with any other war. I don't think Iraq is similar to Vietnam in terms of size, but it is certainly comparable in the number of atrocities. THese better known ones are simply the tip of the iceberg.

Countless My Lai Massacres in Iraq
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Well, there ya go, what did I say?
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Dammit, my last post didn't go through. I don't have time to retype it, so I'll just say that there is a lot more to Iraq than meets the eye, as with any other war. I don't think Iraq is similar to Vietnam in terms of size, but it is certainly comparable in the number of atrocities. THese better known ones are simply the tip of the iceberg.

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So you have been to Iraq?.NO!
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So you have been to Iraq?.NO!
And how do I know you have? If you have and you can truthfully vouch for progress, I'm willing to bet you were stationed up north, where the Kurds have actually been able to maintain some order.
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At last count, in 2006, it was estimated that they numbered around 2,000 - 3,000, and that doesn't even include, as I call them, "casual" racists, who never make their beliefs as big an issue, join hate groups, or have a political & social agenda, but simply express prejudiced viewpoints.

And this isn't an indictment of the military. If anything it's an indictment of recruiters, who are becoming more and more indiscriminant. Usually, people with identifying tattoos from any gang were automatically discharged, but now they have unrealistic quotas to fill. There has to be more regulation in military recruitment and less pressure on them to break the rules. Aside from that, we need to step up actions to curb not only membership of white supremacists in the armed forces, but expand the concept of benevolence by putting a stop to atrocities and crimes against Iraqis, which I have no doubt many of these people are doing.
God Almighty boy, just how long have you been in the military?I notice you keep talking out your butt about things you don't have a clue about..did a Klansman steal your girl or are you just trying to get brownie points from the liberal gangs..

From 1959 to 1978 I was an Army brat, I play with childern of all skin colors, MY father had friends of all colors that would come to our house, and I never heard one racist remark.In June of 1978 I sign up for the US.ARMY and stay there until 1991 when i was disable.

Sure there are many EX_gang members in the military and they will alway be there.BUT there are more than just white racist, there black, there brown, and wow even yellow racist..but they learn to get along most of the time and will cover each others back.

ANTI, you and anyone else that is putting down these brave men and women , should be ashame.

These guys are not only risking their lifes for people that would kill them in a heart beat, but our troops have to leave their families and their homes, they get shot at on a daily basis, wounded and even killed, oh and while they are over there fighing, they families are back here, worried to death about their sons and husbands,these families are also worried about making ends meet due to the loss of income(the military don't pay alot)..that if the troop make it back unharmed...

Let me ask you Anti, just what have you done for this great nation, besides bad mouth her,Have you join the military to witness all this so-called white power crap?No, didn't think so.

I have see many so-called gang members in my 47/48 years on this earth and i can tell you which are the worst and there only one gang that is beyond help and that is a danger to all man...and that is the LIBERAL GANGS, like the one you belong to..so leave my Army alone , you are not even good enough to shine their boots.
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God Almighty boy, just how long have you been in the military?I notice you keep talking out your butt about things you don't have a clue about..did a Klansman steal your girl or are you just trying to get brownie points from the liberal gangs..
You, my friend, are a racist. As I told you before, I'm white, not mexican, not black, not anything else. It's not a point of pride, but not one of shame, either. I hope everyone sees this post so they can see how intolerant you are.

From 1959 to 1978 I was an Army brat, I play with childern of all skin colors, MY father had friends of all colors that would come to our house, and I never heard one racist remark.In June of 1978 I sign up for the US.ARMY and stay there until 1991 when i was disable.
You still don't get it, do you? These gangs keep their affiliations a secret. They're a lot less open about it now, and the whole "white power" movement was a lot less defined in your army days because racism was still alive and well back home.

Sure there are many EX_gang members in the military and they will alway be there.BUT there are more than just white racist, there black, there brown, and wow even yellow racist..but they learn to get along most of the time and will cover each others back.
Well tell the ex-gang members to stop shipping weapons to the National Alliance, posting on white suprenacist blogs, and get their tattoos removed and we're cool.

ANTI, you and anyone else that is putting down these brave men and women , should be ashame.
Did I say everyone who joins the army is a racist? No. Do I think so? Absolutely not, so don't put words in my mouth.

These guys are not only risking their lifes for people that would kill them in a heart beat, but our troops have to leave their families and their homes, they get shot at on a daily basis, wounded and even killed, oh and while they are over there fighing, they families are back here, worried to death about their sons and husbands,these families are also worried about making ends meet due to the loss of income(the military don't pay alot)..that if the troop make it back unharmed...
So...you're pulling the "sacrifice and valor" card again? I'm fully aware of the sacrifice soldiers make, and regardless of the cause, people are people, and they deserve respect for what they've done (provided "what they've done" is within the rules of war, but in most cases that's a given). I don't need you preaching to me about it.

Let me ask you Anti, just what have you done for this great nation, besides bad mouth her,Have you join the military to witness all this so-called white power crap?No, didn't think so.
So private observers are automatically unreliable? If you're not on the ground you're not important? That's the biggest load of crap I've heard. I judge on facts and stats, not anecdotal evidence.

I have see many so-called gang members in my 47/48 years on this earth and i can tell you which are the worst and there only one gang that is beyond help and that is a danger to all man...and that is the LIBERAL GANGS, like the one you belong to..so leave my Army alone , you are not even good enough to shine their boots.
Yeah, they're just aching to make me bite the curb. Get a grip, moron.
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God Almighty boy, just how long have you been in the military?I notice you keep talking out your butt about things you don't have a clue about..did a Klansman steal your girl or are you just trying to get brownie points from the liberal gangs..
You, my friend, are a racist. As I told you before, I'm white, not mexican, not black, not anything else. It's not a point of pride, but not one of shame, either. I hope everyone sees this post so they can see how intolerant you are.

From 1959 to 1978 I was an Army brat, I play with childern of all skin colors, MY father had friends of all colors that would come to our house, and I never heard one racist remark.In June of 1978 I sign up for the US.ARMY and stay there until 1991 when i was disable.
You still don't get it, do you? These gangs keep their affiliations a secret. They're a lot less open about it now, and the whole "white power" movement was a lot less defined in your army days because racism was still alive and well back home.

Sure there are many EX_gang members in the military and they will alway be there.BUT there are more than just white racist, there black, there brown, and wow even yellow racist..but they learn to get along most of the time and will cover each others back.
Well tell the ex-gang members to stop shipping weapons to the National Alliance, posting on white suprenacist blogs, and get their tattoos removed and we're cool.

ANTI, you and anyone else that is putting down these brave men and women , should be ashame.
Did I say everyone who joins the army is a racist? No. Do I think so? Absolutely not, so don't put words in my mouth.

These guys are not only risking their lifes for people that would kill them in a heart beat, but our troops have to leave their families and their homes, they get shot at on a daily basis, wounded and even killed, oh and while they are over there fighing, they families are back here, worried to death about their sons and husbands,these families are also worried about making ends meet due to the loss of income(the military don't pay alot)..that if the troop make it back unharmed...
So...you're pulling the "sacrifice and valor" card again? I'm fully aware of the sacrifice soldiers make, and regardless of the cause, people are people, and they deserve respect for what they've done (provided "what they've done" is within the rules of war, but in most cases that's a given). I don't need you preaching to me about it.

Let me ask you Anti, just what have you done for this great nation, besides bad mouth her,Have you join the military to witness all this so-called white power crap?No, didn't think so.
So private observers are automatically unreliable? If you're not on the ground you're not important? That's the biggest load of crap I've heard. I judge on facts and stats, not anecdotal evidence.

I have see many so-called gang members in my 47/48 years on this earth and i can tell you which are the worst and there only one gang that is beyond help and that is a danger to all man...and that is the LIBERAL GANGS, like the one you belong to..so leave my Army alone , you are not even good enough to shine their boots.
Yeah, they're just aching to make me bite the curb. Get a grip, moron.
Lol, you are a braindead little coward,So tell me anti-American, how am i a racist? oh!!!! that right i take up for the white race,,have you heard me put down any blacks, NO!(like i said your talking about crap you know nothing about) or any other race..(well maybe the arabs) so where am I racist.that right when all else fails go for the race card,

LOL these gangs keep it a secret?wow than how did you find out,if they keep it a secret.BTW I hope everyone see this post too. hey i didn't get rid of my first wife because she was black and sexy, I kick her to the curb because she was a bitch and still is one,form what her brother told me the other day but if it makes you feel better to think that i am racist,what shuold the truth matter right. I am only 47, so in my day as you put it ,would still be today..
But unlike you I have see the world first hand ,not hearsay,I have been with these troops,I had to play mom and dad with many of them that was under me.I didn't judge them by their color , only the way they act, and yes we had to get rid a few of them,. the one's that believe the military just be liberal.
Sure racist ideas are still alive today that why we still have racist gangs like KKK, BLACK PANTHERS,HISPANIC GANGS< oh and the biggest racist group that is out there which is the LIBERAL GANGS..card carriers like you.
If the liberals would shut the hell ,we just might be able to stop all racist people, but no y'all have to keep it going..right now y'all just love jumping on the whites,,hate is hate and liberals are full of hate,,just let me ask, "who is next?."when the white race is gone(like we are going anywhere) who will the liberal wipe out next,maybe the blacks or the hispanics, just what race will have to bite the bullet so you liberals can feel good.

Rules of war,,that only counts on the video games you are playing. there is only ONE (count them coward) rule in real combat , that too kill your enemy before he kills you,(you would get shot by your own people) and what right to you or any other coward have to tell these guy to play by the your rules ,why don't you take up an weapon and live one day in their boots before you start yelling rules.
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I'm tired of all of this chauvinistic militarism. I've got news for you "America first", civilians and people who haven't served in the military before aren't second-class citizens, and their opinions matter just as much. And could it ever occur to you that, *shock* a civilian's opinion on foreign affairs can be just as or even more credible than one of a soldier's? *shock*

You complain about hatred, yet you unleash a tired of hatred and intolerance against liberals. Wow, the glare off of that mirror is hurting my eyes. A little hypocritical aren't you? Not to mention I found it close to utter retardation to think liberalism is racist. But of coarse, judging by your lack of any coherent form of grammar or spelling, I'd trust intelligence and objectivity over 'experience' and bigotry any day. Obviously attempting to convince you of anything other than that Mexican immigrants and liberals aren't the manifestation of everything that is inherently evil and wrong about humanity would be a complete waste of any logical person's time and effort. Some people truly have built up their fortifications of ego that it is quite literally impossible to break through to them of anything recognizable of reason or sanity. Thus, the anatomy of a bigot.

It looks like, to me, that "America first" simply took the place of alias.
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