Originally Posted by sgtdmski

What collective helped Henry Ford devise the Model A Ford, or Bill Gates devise Microsoft? None. Individual men and/or women have throughout our history have created inventions, ideas or provoked thought that have led to great changes. It was the individual that made things better for the group as a whole. Their motivation may have been to help the group, but ultimately it was the individual that thought of, devised and then created. It was but a single man that thought that by teaming together with other men I would be safer, hence the development of society. You place too much credit in the hands and minds of the so-called collective. The world's greatest discoveries and inventions have all been created by individuals, never by the collective.

dmk

Originally Posted by hevusa

I suppose you are packing and getting ready to move to the wilderness then

Originally Posted by sgtdmski

See there you go again. I am not claiming that there was no one behind the individual, but it was the individual who created, devised and then championed his idea. There were many people who supported Henry Ford and Bill Gates, but their support came only after Ford and Gates devised the idea, put together a business plan, and gathered the support. If not for the individual motivation of these men perhaps we would still be travelling in the horse and buggy and using an ababacus.

The people who worked with FOrd and Gates did so because they believed in the man and his ideas. But they were the individual's ideas not the groups. Don't confuse support with collectivism. No collective has ever devised an great idea, only individual men have done so.

dmk