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Old 09-17-2005, 10:56 AM   #11 (permalink)
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We were all fed the same lies man.
Lies before Bush's time All this talk about WMD's was also going on during the Clinton Administration. Clinton's chief advisor hounded Clinton to do something about it. Kerry was on the news many times agreeing with the idea of Saddam being a major threat.

The left quickly blames Bush because he is the President. He must of fed us the lies...
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We were all fed the same lies man.
Lies before Bush's time All this talk about WMD's was also going on during the Clinton Administration. Clinton's chief advisor hounded Clinton to do something about it. Kerry was on the news many times agreeing with the idea of Saddam being a major threat.

The left quickly blames Bush because he is the President. He must of fed us the lies...

The U.N. inspections changed the information by the time Bush was in office. Why blame the other party? That is exactly what they want us to be doing.
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It really feels like you are arguing semantics. Yes you can find justifications that fit AFTER the fact. But the truth is that America was not being threatened by Iraq, and via the U.N. Inspections we knew they had no WMD's. This was further reinforced for me when Hans Blix nearly shit a brick at how America was painting the picture of Iraq for the American people.

It may have been justifiable but certianly not for the reasons given to the American public. The war is without a doubt completely illegal.
Did you read my post? Here's one of the quotes again. "So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..." http://web.archive.org/web/200402042...2003_0123.html Virtually everyone in government leadership thought that America WAS being threatened by Saddam. This wasn't just some big lie by Bush to get even.
We were all fed the same lies man.
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Old 09-17-2005, 01:52 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Let's let the facts be the facts. The intelligence that was used in regards to Iraq and WMDs was wrong. However, that intelligence was relied upon by many different people in judging Iraq, including the Clinton administration, the UN, and many European countries. No rational individual reviewing that intelligence would assume that Saddam Hussein was not a threat. This was the argument presented to the AMerican people, and yes hev, it was wrong. However to say that Hussein was not a threat is almost as ridiculious as saying that the Earth is flat. Hussein throughout his history has demonstrated that borders mean nothing to him. He invaded Iran in the 1980's, and Kuwait in the 1990's. His leadership posed a clear threat to many of our allies in the Middle East, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Isreal. This coupled with the threat of instability in the region and the disruption of oil production posed a real threat to the United States.

Time and time again hev, you have claimed that this war was unjust and illegal, and time and again others in this forum have refuted your arguments. I have shown that there was a moral justication, a national interest justification and that there is a legal justification. That being the violation of the UN resolutions on the part of Iraq violated the cease fire of the Gulf War following Iraq's invasion of Kuwait.

The only argument that ou can muster is that because there were no WMDs then there is no justification. I have three different arguments that show the war is just, regardless of what you may believe, the lack of WMDs does not make this war any less just.

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Let's let the facts be the facts. The intelligence that was used in regards to Iraq and WMDs was wrong. However, that intelligence was relied upon by many different people in judging Iraq, including the Clinton administration, the UN, and many European countries. No rational individual reviewing that intelligence would assume that Saddam Hussein was not a threat.

This information is pure propaganda. The UN inspections were up to date well past Clinton's time and Hans Blix was mad as hell over the lies the Bush administration were dishing out. Saddam was not a threat, the Bush administration knew it and the U.N. inspectors knew it.

You are furthering the lies.
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Let's let the facts be the facts. The intelligence that was used in regards to Iraq and WMDs was wrong. However, that intelligence was relied upon by many different people in judging Iraq, including the Clinton administration, the UN, and many European countries. No rational individual reviewing that intelligence would assume that Saddam Hussein was not a threat.

This information is pure propaganda. The UN inspections were up to date well past Clinton's time and Hans Blix was mad as hell over the lies the Bush administration were dishing out. Saddam was not a threat, the Bush administration knew it and the U.N. inspectors knew it.

You are furthering the lies.
Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
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Old 09-18-2005, 09:16 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Is a dictator who used chemicals weapons, killing thousands of people, not a threat?

Check out the web page below:

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

If you still think he's not a threat, and/or it was pointless to remove him of power...wow
Old 09-18-2005, 09:20 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Is a dictator who used chemicals weapons, killing thousands of people, not a threat?

Check out the web page below:

http://www.kdp.pp.se/chemical.html

If you still think he's not a threat, and/or it was pointless to remove him of power...wow

Not a threat to America though. It isn't our job or duty to play world police. Derka derka. We only cared about their resources.

This country had a revolution... they could have done the same.
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
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Anyone with a brain knows Saddam was never a threat.
Do you have anything to back that up? A lot of people better and wiser than me (but maybe not you ) thought that he was a threat.
A threat to our econonic interests maybe. It is common knowledge that Iraq does not possess long range weapons capable of reaching North America.
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