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03-26-2007, 10:05 AM
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The foundation of all Fascism is some sort of religion. Let me give you an example - Hitler believed that if God did not want him to kill 6 million Jews then God would stop him.
| That being the case, then God does work in mysterious ways. It is written, in the Bible:
"Listen, O tribe of Judah and citizens in assembly, can I overlook the infamous false measure, the accursed short bushel? Can I connive at false scales or a bag of light weights? Your rich men are steeped in violence, your townsmen are all liars, and their tongues frame deceit. But now I will inflict a signal punishment on you to lay you waste for your sins: you shall eat but not be satisfied, your food shall lie heavy on your stomach; you shall come to labour but not bring forth, and even if you bear a child I will give it to the sword; you shall sow but not reap, you shall press the olives but not use the oil, you shall tread the grapes but not drink the wine. You have kept the precepts of Omri; what the house of Ahab did, you have done; you have followed all their ways. So I will lay you utterly waste; the nations shall jeer at your citizens, and their insults you shall bear." -- Micah 6 v 10
God used Hitler to send the Jews to Hellfire and Damnation, and then He did stop him. |
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03-26-2007, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by indago billybobama wrote
That being the case, then God does work in mysterious ways. It is written, in the Bible:
"Listen, O tribe of Judah and citizens in assembly, can I overlook the infamous false measure, the accursed short bushel? Can I connive at false scales or a bag of light weights? Your rich men are steeped in violence, your townsmen are all liars, and their tongues frame deceit. But now I will inflict a signal punishment on you to lay you waste for your sins: you shall eat but not be satisfied, your food shall lie heavy on your stomach; you shall come to labour but not bring forth, and even if you bear a child I will give it to the sword; you shall sow but not reap, you shall press the olives but not use the oil, you shall tread the grapes but not drink the wine. You have kept the precepts of Omri; what the house of Ahab did, you have done; you have followed all their ways. So I will lay you utterly waste; the nations shall jeer at your citizens, and their insults you shall bear." -- Micah 6 v 10
God used Hitler to send the Jews to Hellfire and Damnation, and then He did stop him. | Micha is a Jewish book of the Bible it is not a Christian Book of the Bible. This makes it very difficult to grasp your point. In other words from your statement should I assume you are Jewish? |
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03-26-2007, 10:22 AM
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Micha is a Jewish book of the Bible it is not a Christian Book of the Bible. This makes it very difficult to grasp your point. In other words from your statement should I assume you are Jewish?
| I am not! |
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03-27-2007, 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by indago billybobama wrote:
I am not! | Then you are just a very confusing person. |
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03-27-2007, 10:46 AM
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03-27-2007, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by gmeyers1944 "We" ( anyone interested enough to check things out and not just take Move-on's word for it) all know that there is no one else that can get the job done like Halliburton. Calling anyone names does not make your argument anymore or less true, so I don't do it. | ROFLMAO!!!
What job? What exactly are they 'getting done'? |
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03-29-2007, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by tyreay It does mean coexist. I am a Humanist and that is what it is all about for me. You can claim the Islamics want this but in the same paragraph you display alot of the same traits as them. Do you side with the facist radical Christian religions(not that all Christian religions are facist)? Like it or not they are contributing to the unrest in the world and giving the Islamics a reason to be pissed. You talk about what the Islamics want. Bush's beliefs are also a good example of the same thing. Forcing democracy on others because you believe God spoke to you and told you to go to war in Iraq is reason enough I think. Maybe you don't realize that ecomomic domination is the goal of Bush and his cronies which he is doing by brainwashing some of the Christians of this world.
I am not against religions at all. I would like to see Humanism applied while allowing each to keep thier religion. It is when people wage war over their core beliefs that religions fail. Fighting over who God is rightous and real is totally assinine. This and the almighty dollar are really what it comes down.
This is America and we each are entitled to our own opinion. Or do you think we should just follow our almighty leader in his beliefs and not have an opinion of our own?
Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God'. - Jesus (Matt 19:23-24)
Des this make Bush and Cheney the saviors of the Christian religions? I don't think so. COEXIST! |
Hey both religions have caused wars and have fought eachother in wars long before we were born... don't even try to say that they are peaceful religions. |
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03-30-2007, 05:44 AM
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Level up: 53%, 72 Points needed | | Let us set the record straight. Did Halliburton get to provide the necessary private sector work for the military during the Iraqi War??? YES.... Was this done through a no-bid process? YES..... Why were they given this advanatage???? Thanks to LOGCAP - Logistics Civil Augumentation Program. This program began in 1985, however, at the time the individual commands actually determined who got the contracts. However, during the Clinton administration due to the downsizing of the forces, the contract was determined by the administration. Guess what, Halliburton was awarded the contract in 2000. Hmmmmmm that would mean that it is not Cheney who is the evil genius, but rather the Democrats very own honored PResident, Clinton himself. Hmmmm. I wonder, what did Hilliary know and when did she know it??????????
So get the facts straight, the whole reason there were no-bid contracts is because of the manuevering of the Clinton adminstration. Damn, sometime the truth really gets in the way of all the conspiracy theories, damn those stupid facts.
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03-30-2007, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by sgtdmski Let us set the record straight. Did Halliburton get to provide the necessary private sector work for the military during the Iraqi War??? YES.... Was this done through a no-bid process? YES..... Why were they given this advanatage???? Thanks to LOGCAP - Logistics Civil Augumentation Program. This program began in 1985, however, at the time the individual commands actually determined who got the contracts. However, during the Clinton administration due to the downsizing of the forces, the contract was determined by the administration. Guess what, Halliburton was awarded the contract in 2000. Hmmmmmm that would mean that it is not Cheney who is the evil genius, but rather the Democrats very own honored PResident, Clinton himself. Hmmmm. I wonder, what did Hilliary know and when did she know it??????????
So get the facts straight, the whole reason there were no-bid contracts is because of the manuevering of the Clinton adminstration. Damn, sometime the truth really gets in the way of all the conspiracy theories, damn those stupid facts.
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Halliburton Makes A
Killing On Iraq War
Special Series By Pratap Chatterjee
Special to CorpWatch.org
3-22-3
In December 2001, Kellogg, Brown and Root, a subsidiary of Halliburton, secured a 10-year deal known as the Logistics Civil Augmentation Program (LOGCAP), from the Pentagon. The contract is a "cost-plus-award-fee, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity service" which basically means that the federal government has an open-ended mandate and budget to send Brown and Root anywhere in the world to run military operations for a profit. Halliburton Makes A Killing On Iraq War
This article appears in the July 15, 2005 issue of Executive Intelligence Review.
According to evidence presented on June 21 at the House Subcommittee on National Security hearing, and on June 27, by the Senate Democratic Policy Committee, the following has been established:
There is more than $1.4 billion in "questioned" and "unsupported" charges paid to Halliburton, according to Defense Department audit reports.
There are billions of dollars unaccounted for, taken in cash from the $19.6 billion Development Fund for Iraq account, created by UN Security Council resolution 1483 in May 2003, and administered solely by the U.S. occupation authority. According to the 25-page official report by the Minority Staff of the Committee on Government Reform, these funds are unaccounted for, have disappeared, or have been misappropriated.
Halliburton is documented to be the largest recipient of the Development Fund for Iraq funds (about $1.2 billion) and of all Defense Department contracts in Iraq (more than $15 billion).
Halliburton's contracts were handled outside of the professional, competitive bidding process that is standard procedure in the Defense Department. Instead, according to Ms. Bunatine Greenhouse, the top civilian contracting official at the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, the Halliburton contracts were given special handling directly from "the OSD," the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Greenhouse was forced to step down or face demotion after objecting, in writing, to the special treatment granted to Halliburton; instead, she chose to file a whistleblower lawsuit.
Two executives from Lloyd-Owen International (LOI), a security and management firm with contracts from the Iraqi government, which began after the U.S. occupation handed over power to Iraqis, gave evidence that Halliburton's overcharges for fuel transportation from Kuwait to Iraq are even greater than previously believed, and that KBR, a Halliburton subsidiary, has not completed crucial fuel distribution work, despite its claim to have done so. In addition, Halliburton "has abused its relationship with the U.S. Army," by attempting to close the Iraq-Kuwait border so that LOI (a competitor of KBR) could not efficiently deliver fuel to the Iraq government.
The two LOI executives, Alan Waller and Gary Butters, gave dramatic testimony to the Senate that KBR managers had ordered their staff to deny assistance to LOI personnel, who had been attacked by insurgents en route to a base managed by KBR, near Fallujah. Four contract employees of LOI had been killed in the attack, and several others were wounded, but a KBR e-mail message presented to the Senators, showed that LOI was not to be helped. Fortunately, the U.S. Marines at the base came to the assistance of LOI.
KBR threatened personnel in Iraq, who were working under its food service contract, if they talked to U.S. government auditors who had been sent to look into KBR's practice of overcharging for dining hall services. Rory Mayberry, Food Production Manager at Camp Anaconda in Iraq, testified that he was warned, and then transferred to a much more dangerous base near Fallujah in order to keep him from talking further to auditors.
Obstruction of Justice?
There is no question that Cheney's office was directly involved in the special treatment given to Halliburton. A further question is whether Cheney's pressure to prevent the Senate and House committees from investigating constitutes obstruction of justice.
More than a year ago, on June 8, 2004, a DoD political appointee, neo-conservative insider Michael Mobbs, who worked directly at the Office of the Secretary of Defense, briefed the House Government Reform Committee that Cheney's Chief of Staff and National Security advisor, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, had been consulted and informed by Mobbs about a secret Iraq war contract being awarded to Halliburton, on March 8, 2002, before the contract had been awarded, and before the Iraq war had begun. Mobbs acknowledged that the decision to award the contract to Halliburton, by extending a previous contract, was not made by career civil servants, but by political appointees, in particular by himself and an "Energy Infrastructure Planning Group," in the DoD which he headed. Mobbs determined that other longstanding DoD contractors—Bechtel and Fluor—were not qualified for the job, and were not even allowed to submit bids for the oil infrastructure contract. Mobbs, who was also acting as a special assistant to Assistant Secretary of Defense for Policy, Doug Feith, had been a member of Feith's law firm. Other special operations set up by Feith in 2002, such as the Office of Special Policy, functioned as a secret, parallel intelligence service, reporting to Cheney's office. Like the Iran-Contra operation of the 1980s, the Cheney-OSD-Feith network was a "government within a government." Will Stolen Iraq Oil Funds and Deals For Cronies Force Cheney Impeachment?
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03-31-2007, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by knot_e_lady ROFLMAO!!!
What job? What exactly are they 'getting done'? | Haliburton stole all U.S. citizens tax money. Now they are taking it to the Middle East. They are moving to the United Arab Emirates. Halibuurton is laughing at all U.S. Citizens. |
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