Petition to stop escalation

az0884 · 04-07-2007, 09:18 PM

I would personnally like to know how well they are screening the people they train. Are we training the enemy? 200,000 iraqi soldiers with american training would be unstoppable, especially if we have to fight iran and china at the same time.

Katczinsky · 04-07-2007, 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by az0884

I would personnally like to know how well they are screening the people they train. Are we training the enemy? 200,000 iraqi soldiers with american training would be unstoppable, especially if we have to fight iran and china at the same time.

Many elements of different Shia groups have infiltrated the military, police, and government. This is why the Shia death squads are mostly comprised of the police themselves. The Bush administration doesn't want to face this reality because it looks bad.

It's undeniable that once we leave, sectarian violence will escalate. But the thing is, is that it will escalate anyway. The Bush administration is probably just waiting until the next Presidency so that the blame of violence erupting in Iraq will be placed on the Democratic President who pulls the troops out, inevitably causing more American deaths just for the sake of destroying the Democratic Party. It's sick, but it highlights the ideology of the Bush administration who loath their political enemies perhaps just as much as the terrorist enemy. Either that or they're completely ignorant of the situation in Iraq, and are completely blind and retarded to think that they can stop the violence via the methods they are using and have been using throughout the entire course of the war.

az0884 · 04-08-2007, 10:47 PM

I wouldnt put it past them. You are right, all hell is going to break loose regardless and Bush wants to wait till hes out so he can pass blame. I think its long past impeachment time. It seems like Nov. 2008 will never come. I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Bush both terms, but I guess it doesnt mean i voted for his unwanted actions. I feel tricked and I think most of the country does as well. Why the hell do the people allow this? We used to be a country that stood up to the government and now we just watch the few who still do on TV.

tadpole256 · 04-08-2007, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by az0884

I wouldnt put it past them. You are right, all hell is going to break loose regardless and Bush wants to wait till hes out so he can pass blame. I think its long past impeachment time. It seems like Nov. 2008 will never come. I'm ashamed to say that I voted for Bush both terms, but I guess it doesnt mean i voted for his unwanted actions. I feel tricked and I think most of the country does as well. Why the hell do the people allow this? We used to be a country that stood up to the government and now we just watch the few who still do on TV.

Well at least you are making the first step by acknowledging that this guy is a criminal, and something needs to be done. There are still those who march in lock-step with this mad-man.

nuttyjoe · 04-09-2007, 12:38 AM

My feelings on this war are mixed. Obviously, at some point we need to end this madness; but at what point can we be reasonably sure that this withdrawal will not just portend a rise in the war? That is the true question as I see it. Many of you are angry at Bush's claim that Iraq was developing and even posessed WMD's as his excuse for our original involvement there. I am too; because I believe that all he wanted was the removal of Saddam Hussein from power- he just miscalculated in that he (and many others) assumed that once removed; the Iraqi problems would stop. To me, Iraq is the lesser of two evils in the Middle East. Next to them; there is a country that is openly announcing it's uranium enrichment program and what plans they have for this. Now, Do we stay in the Middle East or not?
I believe war to be the failure of diplomacy. I also believe Iraq (and Iran) just plan to wait us out and let the American people's sentiment cause us to lose everything we thought we were there for- as happened in Vietnam. Our military did not lose in Vietnam- our politicians did. After enough time the Hanoi government started talking about possible peace (but were planning for their ultimate triumph militarily). We were so sick of Vietnam by this point we didn't see the real reason for the Hanoi claims of peace. As soon as we started major withdrawal of forces and they got us to the Paris peace talks; the hammer fell. South Vietnam was overrun in short order, as there were no longer any American forces of substance in the theater. As a result, we wasted our time, money, and countless American lives there and lost everything. Do you not think the rest of the world didn't learn this lesson about the weakness of American politics?